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Starry Skies · Apr 9, 2016 12:39 PM

So I've played this game on and off for a few years. I understand that horses are either showers or producers (rarely both of neither) and I was just wondering what other people look for in a producer? The only thing I know to go by is if a horse doesn't level out and show well then to try putting it out to pasture.

Redbud · Apr 9, 2016 3:30 PM

The game has changed dramatically. I have mares that are both top competitors and producers. As for what makes them good producers that depends on what you want the foals to do. Do you want fully lined to go after 8W? Do you want to breed a third gen B over high red low blue mares to target levels 6-7? Do you want to start your own line with Perfect foundations and expros and have something that you have created ?

SandyCreekAcres · Apr 9, 2016 3:58 PM

What makes a good producer is a percentage in its programming that defines the possible range of its foals abilities. This percentage is combined with that of the horse it is bred to, and this combination of ranges results rather randomly to produce the showing and breeding abilities of the foal. Note that the breeding ability number signifies a range of results, not a guaranteed specific number.

For the most part we have no idea what that exact percentage number is, except in the case of perfect foundations, which have 100% breeding and 100% showing ability, and exceptionally perfect foundations which have 105% breeding and showing abilities.

Years ago a player did an experiment breeding perfect foundation horses together and found that their foals had PT scores ranging from 8.9 to 10.4. We don't have as good a guide to breeding ability as the Performance Test, however. I suspect that the breeding abilities of their foals would cover about as wide a range.

Once a horse has been bred a number of times, we get a better idea of its specific breeding ability by looking at its average foal PT (AFPT) score. However, since the foals' PT scores are created by a combination of the breeding ability of the sire and of the dam, the mates chosen for a horse will have an effect on this number.

Gelding Advice, Mare Advice, and Papering levels also give an estimate of how good a breeder a horse will be.

I am not a strict breeder by any means, but I expect my colts to paper better than their sires or, if they have the same paper level, to comparison test superior to their sires. I also expect them to be about as good as or superior to his other sons with the same paper level. Mare's cannot be papered until they have three live foals, so I expect my fillies to pass Strict Mare Advice and Showing Aptitude without being neutered and usually to be consistent rather than inconsistent. I also PT all my horses, and for mares, I will neuter those who paper lower than their dams, or the same as their dams while having an AFPT that is not significantly higher (more than 1 full point) than their dam's.

I show all my horses, whether neutered or intact.

Forestshadow · Apr 10, 2016 9:59 AM

All I want from my lines is a reasonably good progression since I generally work with C papered foundation stallions as the starting point for my lines. I do expect my 3rd gen stallions to paper A, and my 4th generation mares to paper blue. I also show all my horses that aren't in pastures. I also have my own criteria for keeping breeding stock, but really, it's up to everyone to determine that for themselves. The point of this game is to have fun and play it the way you want.

Hunter576 · Apr 12, 2016 9:57 AM

Thank you everybody for this clarification. So well explained!!

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