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  • How does one keep from being overwhelmed in this game? I already feel that way. How do you all cull when you had a free account. I know what I am wanting to do but not sure how to get there.
  • I remember reaching that point. This was back in the day when it was essential to show a horse only when it had a chance of finishing in the top half of its class, and I was keeping paper records for every one, recording their starting score, what they scored in each class, and estimating what their score would be the next week so I would know when to show them. I kept adding barns to have room for them and slowing increasing my upgrade level (at that time there were 5 levels, each one with an additional handful of perks). When it got to the point that it was taking hours and hours each week, just to keep up with the paperwork, I finally threw up my hands and opted for the Level 5 upgrade because it offered auto showing.

    Obviously, I never have learned to cull at all, neither then, nor now. I still buy more barns when the ones I have get too full. About the only thing I do is to send inconsistent horses to the auction if they have PT scores of less than 10 , and I've even backed off from that standard now and auction those that are inconsistent and have PT scores less than 9 since even inconsistent horses can make money with the showing bonus. As you can see, I have no words of wisdom for you about culling.

    All I can offer is my empathy for the frustration you are feeling now.

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  • What do you think you need to be culling?

    If you're breeding according to plan (whatever your plan is), then stick to that plan, tough it out, and be patient. I know it feels like there is some kind of frenzied rush to get somewhere, but this is a game that revolves around The Long Game. You can't really win it. You can't really expect to have gotten to the end in two months, or six months, or even a year. I say this as someone who has been playing for NINE real years, and I'm not even the senior-most player around.

    Don't be in a rush to dump your horses. If nothing else, you need them for show stock. Showing is the life blood of the game. The income you make from shows, from keeping what you create/breed, entering it as often as you can, and collecting all of the points that you can get your paws on, is what will see you to the point of freedom here. I say this as someone who, in those nine years, has amassed almost 14,000 horses, whose combined show points earned me 712,030 hbs today.

    What are your goals? What is it that you want to do? With a free account, you absolutely can get there, it'll just take you a while. There are plenty of people around here who have acres of good advice to give though!
  • It all depends on what you decide your goals to be.
  • My goal is to be a top shower and then be a top breeder but it seems like I can't have both. I know I won't be able to put real money to this game for quite some time. My barns are pretty much full. They will be once I breed this coming year.

    I show everything but it seems like I am getting no where. I want to be a breeder of sport ponies so not sure what to do with my warmbloods especially the ones that I got from players. The biggest reason for this is because of my sons Shetland pony.

    It just seems like I am stuck in the mud. Should I just concentrate on showing and do the breeding later? Some of the horses and ponies I got were to be my starting lines. It just seems like people put their foals in auction a lot. I want people to want my ponies just not sure where to start? Are the foals better off in my pasture? What is best foal in pasture? How do you do that?
  • Put the horses you don't want to breed in a show barn. They still have points and will earn you money. You can even spay/geld those that don't fit exactly with your breeding goals to make it less overwhelming.

    In terms of showing and breeding, my answer is always that I need more barns and more show horses. The more I have, the more effectively they'll support my breeding. If you can't use real money for this, I would recommend that you buy IVs (investment vouchers) every time you have 12,500 hb. Use them to buy barns whenever you can afford it.

    People auction foals quite a bit. There is occasionally a gem in the auctions, but most people won't dig through the extra foals (and older horses) to find it. The best way to make money is actually to keep your horses. People don't pay a ton for them unless they've got a desirable gene (this means different things to different people) or have amassed a good number of points from showing.

    Pastures give your mares a little help in producing good foals. The longer a mare stays in the pasture, the less randomly her foal's stats will be generated. This is the "pasture bonus" and helps to make sure your mares are producing at or near the top of their ability. The best of the pasture is exactly what it sounds like: the best foal who is currently in your pastures. Foals MUST be removed from the pasture before breeding season ends if you want to keep them, so don't use it for foal storage.

    If I'm missing any info that you're still looking for, please make sure to point it out so we can get you all the answers you're looking for :)
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  • You asked about "Best Foal in Pasture." Each breeding season, the first time you breed your pastures, you will receive an email message telling you which of the foals is the best. This refers to breeding ability, but I think that showing ability may also be factored in. I haven't made a comparison of PT scores to verify that, and a time or two my "best foal" has been inconsistent.

    You may breed better foals outside of the pasture for a number of reasons, including luck. The programming just compares the current crop of pasture foals with each other.

    If you put different mares and/or stallion into your pasture and breed them again in the same season, you will not receive an email. Ammit has said that there is only one email sent out each season.

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  • What do you mean by top shower and top breeder? :)

    I'm sorry if it seems like I'm asking you a lot of questions in exchange for your questions, but I think it helps to understand the source of your frustration.

    It is absolutely 100% possible to get to a point where you can pay for everything with game money. In fact now with the exceptions of the higher level upgrade and new pastures, everything can be bought with your ponies' show winnings. As people have said above, in general the answer is always that you need MORE barns and MORE show horses. If you end up with some warmbloods that you don't want to breed, don't. Spay or geld them, put them in a show barn, and let them earn you money. When it comes to shows, mechanically there is zero difference between the little guys and the big 'uns.

    The thing about breeding is that you have to be patient. Horses you breed today won't be breedable themselves until January if they're colts, and March if they're fillies. In the meantime, they should be in a barn earning you points. You can't show them in a pasture. Worse, if you leave babies in the pasture, then toward the end of the season they automatically get sold back to the game and you lose them forever.

    As far as people wanting your ponies goes... that's a much tougher thing. Lots of people play this game, but they all have very different breeding goals. The obvious one is color (off the top of my head I have known players who ONLY bred grullos, who ONLY bred blacks, and who ONLY bred chestnuts.) There are brief surges of popular colors, usually when a new(er) gene becomes publically available, but trying to predict them or chase them for profit is virtually impossible. Quality is also an obvious goal, and by quality I refer to horses with relatively even pedigrees who demonstrate improvement over the generations before them. But outside of a few extremely high-end boosted variants (2nd and 3rd generation *Stars, for example) there isn't really a huge market for them. Sure, people will buy them, but they aren't worth a whole lot.

    Most of the big stables don't sell their horses. Aside from foundation creates, which anybody can make, I can't remember the last time I sold a horse I bred. I'm sure there have been one or two in the past six months, but it's just Not A Thing for me. I also don't really buy horses from other people. Of the almost 14,000 that I own, exactly 34 are lined horses that were bred by someone else.

    I bought exactly ONE of them. One. Because he was a stallion who went back to one of my foundations and I bought him specifically to geld. The other 33 were given to me, either as Secret Santa presents or by friends of mine who play (or have since left the game.)

    Now that I've probably buried you in text, I also don't want to discourage you. It's relatively easy to become a successful barn, but you have to decide how you want to define success. If it's to play the game without spending a lot of RL money, that is (sorry Ammit!) absolutely possible, and by her own design. You just need more horses. Any horse can be a show horse. Any horse can make you money. Showing and making money from shows is literally as simple as pushing the enter button.
  • The first thing to realize is that this is a game requiring patience. Most of the people on the leader boards have been playing the game for years, you're not going to get there in a few months. So don't feel like you should be there right now, that's simply impossible.

    Secondly, don't sweat about everyone wanting your horses. As Stone Silo said, most of the larger horses never or rarely sell their horses. Sales and breeding is not where the money is in this game.

    What's popular is all about personal taste and fads, and the problem with fads is that they go away. Usually when something new comes out or Ammit updates how a color/pattern generates, everyone will want it and prices will be at a premium. Then people breed the crap out of that color and the market bottoms out. People drop 50k on horses that aren't worth 10k a few months later. I call it the impatience tax...but time and time again people will buy into the new shiny and get upset when they can't make a fortune off the resulting babies a few months later.

  • I want to be a top shower meaning my horses. I want to be a top breeder of black tobi ponies. Eventually work in rabicano.
  • About being a top shower--do you mean that you want your horses to be bringing in one of the largest daily showing bonuses or that your horses are showing at the highest levels for their generation and PT. And by "my horses" do you mean horses that you currently own or horses that you have bred yourself? As you can see, your terms are somewhat flexible, and you will have to decide exactly what you mean.

    Let me give some examples from my stable. I have been playing this game since mid-January 2011, call it roughly 5 1/2 years.

    I have 4774 horses in my barns and pastures. I have 41 barns, 2 of them with 1000 stalls (not quite filled), and 14 pastures, most of them 10 acre pastures, many of them currently not completely filled. My approximate daily showing bonus is 173,033 hb's, and all my horses have a total of 2,422,471.

    I have a very large stable, but it is far from being one of the largest.

    I would estimate that the majority of my horses are foundations and 2nd and 3rd gens. I show everything except the ones in pasture and not always the ones in my Primary barn, though I'm trying to be more intentional about getting that barn shown.

    On a search by highest lifetime points
    there are 4 stallions, 10 mares, 3 spayed mares, and 8 geldings.
    Their total points, tonight, range from 4664.0 to 2748.0.
    All of them were bred by me, but their ancestors were not necessarily of my breeding.

    On a search by PT scores
    there are 6 horses with a score of 14.1, 1 with a score of 14, and 138 with scores ranging from 13.0 to 13.9.

    I'm sure there are stables with more very high PT horses than mine.

    It has taken me 5 1/2 years of hoarding pixel ponies to achieve this point, though I can't really say it has been a goal. I have just been hoarding pixel ponies and continually showing them.

    Patience is the most important factor in playing this game. as others have said, achieving goals like yours doesn't happen overnight.


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  • Yes I want my horses to be bringing in one of the biggest daily show bonus. These are the ones that I have bred myself and have bought from other players.

    I can't test PT scores but I do all the free testing on my horses. I want to get up there in show bonus but it seems like my horses are just slowly inching up in the shows.
  • "Yes I want my horses to be bringing in one of the biggest daily show bonus. "

    There you go! That is a tangible goal. :) However, like people have said above, that is not something that happens overnight. It's not something that happens in a few months. I have a longish post about this subject here, but the short form has already been stated above: you need more horses. Breed them, buy them, collect them all!

    Your daily showing bonus is drawn from the total number of showing points the horses you currently own hold. It'll say what those totals are right on your Stable Overview page:

    You currently hold X points.
    You earn a Y hb's daily bonus from showing.

    The more you show your horses, the more points they will collect, whether they come in first or not. You only lose those points when you sell a horse (in which case the person who buys it gets them) or when the horse dies of old age.
  • Once horses get out of Level 1 in showing, it takes the average foundation horse about 3 weeks of training to level up to the next grade. So, they are in Level 2 Local for 3 weeks, Level 2 Regional for 3 weeks, Level 2 National for 3 weeks, and Level 2 World for three weeks, then they level up to 3 Local.

    So, yes, they slowly inch their way up through the showing levels. This is why patience is such a huge part of playing the game.

    If you go to my public stable page http://www.huntandjump.com/pub_member.php?u_id=137592 and scroll down to the bottom, you will find a link to my Adoption Herd barn. There are a few horses still in there with more than 200 points. If you'd like to adopt any of them send me a PM with their URL's.

    I need to go through my own horses and toss a few more high point show horses in, but I won't have time to do that until early next week, most likely.
    Post edited by SandyCreekAcres at 2016-09-30 20:06:59

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  • Ok I will do that. I enjoy showing them. I just want to be a good trainer and shower of horses.

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