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All regular create stallions paper C. The exceptional producers and exceptionally perfect ones paper B, as you said. Regular create mares, however, up to now, have sometimes papered yellow (the equivalent of C) and fairly frequently have papered red, since their paper level was determined by the quality of their first three foals, and could be tested more than once in their lives.

{A personal note: very early in my Hunt and Jump life, I had a foundation mare with a PT of 2.someing. She was a wonderful brood mare, however, and produced foals with consistently high PT scores. At that time, the papering levels were much different (we seldom kept foundation stallions that didn't paper Star, for instance). Ammit decided that some adjustment was needed between mare and stallion papering standards, and reworked the whole thing. Anyway, before that first major papering reprogramming, this particular low PT foundation mare had papered Blue! Afterwards, her paper was adjusted downwards to Red, which really made for a more lifelike situation in the game.}

Now, Ammit has redone the papering so that mares will be papered based on their hidden breeding ability number and can be papered at birth, without reference to any foals. We will have to see what that does to the paper levels of newly created regular foundations. I haven't had a chance to go on a create spree since this upgrade went in, so I can't speak to how foundation mare papering is going to look from here on.

The weird thing is I have several non-perf foundie mares papering red too. In fact, all but like 1 of the foundations I've papered so far - the majority of which aren't perf, expro or RS - have papered Red. It kind of seems like Red is the new foundation level paper for mares but I wasn't sure because I thought it was supposed to be Yellow.

I think I remember someone saying that mare paper levels tended to lag 1 generation behind. I'm not sure who it was that said that. Could have been Ammit, could have been anyone that has been in game for a long time. However, that tidbit keeps sticking in my mind when I cull mares.

Oh, so it's not uncommon for creates to be perfect? That makes these results make much more sense then - for some reason I figured perfects were like, 100%, and you basically had an equal chance at normal creates being anything between 0-100 lol. If they're mostly perfects then it makes sense for most to paper higher.

But I thought perfect foundations were supposed to paper Yellow?

So a stallion C is the same as a mare Red, Ammit (in 100% foundations that is)?

I'm really confused now. So I've had a perfect foundation and a RS paper Yellow, while I've had almost all my normal creates paper Red. At minimum shouldn't the Perf and the RS be equal quality to the normal creates, if not better? Can normal creates go above 100% breeding ability?

Looks like a ninja update on Ammit's part because we were all super confused. :D

Elemental, the quality of the mares hasn't changed. A perfect foundation that was red yesterday is yellow today: it's the papering that shifted. Yellow was always supposed to be foundation quality. Yellow = C. It's not bad for foundations to be yellows, and I'm pretty sure that your normal creates aren't going to paper red going forward. The only Rank Specials that will be red are the exceptionals.