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... since I should be getting ready for work. I’m slightly annoyed about something I thought was HAJ etiquette, but not sure now. When you don’t usually share your lines because you want to keep them reputable you usually ask to keep them in house. Meaning no public breeding or straws, eggs or whatever sold for profit.
I’ve spent a lot of time and money creating special horses and have given clones to users I thought might enjoy them for their own barn. And now I see every single clone I have given has been used outside said “in house” restrictions.
It actually made me laugh because I saw a descendant of a clone of mine on the forum recently and was like wow, that horse looks like a descendant of my horse. And it was, of a clone! Ammit, you hold up to your end of the game, because that’s impressive.
I guess I’m just venting, but the only solution that works is to just not share. At all. Unless people think it’s ok because it’s a clone? A clone is in my case always traded or given, and I would never sell an offspring or trade or anything without first consulting the original horse’s owner. -
"When you don’t usually share your lines because you want to keep them reputable", then you don't share your lines.
It isn't about being stodgy or isolationist. Basically your lines mean everything to you but you can't expect them to mean anything to someone else. They simply arn't going to remember that they came from a super closed line. It's not malignant, they just have thousands of horses and arn't going to remember. It's a tough lesson and one I had to learn myself but if it's important to you don't share it period. Or let it go and understand that once you let something out into the market you can't care about it anymore because there is no possible way someone is going to handle it with the care you have for it.
It's a sucky lesson to have to learn. =((Need to contact me? Read this first.
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Haha, I know! I was just going to edit my post to add this: I always trade and buy straws and eggs and therefore have a bunch in the freezer from game years ago and can’t remeber their restrictions. So for me, they are either kept as show ponies or yummed, never sold or auctioned no matter if they’re altered or not. I just can’t keep track of their restrictions, so I play it safe for their owners.Post edited by veetiepony1 at 2018-01-25 03:08:40
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I try not to let anything leave my barns, unless for a very particular reason (other than my high PT line for show horses or some restricted genes)
Personally i wouldn't be at all worried if a foundation clone is used however the owner wishes, as really it is a new line. If it's a lined horse that would be different.
As Ammit says, you put a higher value on your own stock as you know how much work has gone into them, no one else knows that value. It's hard for people to remember inhouse rules years down the line. -
Gemfish, absolutely.
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Last year I developed a set of tattoos to place on any horse with outside lines and a tracking number for how far back those lines are.
By the time I start breeding those horses I probably won’t remember that they were gifts or bought outside. Now I will only share any that don’t have that tattoo and at the very least the outside lined horse is off the pedigree page before I’d consider itBreeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes -
I just so seldom share. Call me possessive or whatever, but whatever intact (or otherwise) cross that is the result of my freezer I will keep or yum. I love this game, but I’ve known from the beginning I can’t keep track of in house rules, who’s allowed what and so on, so I always keep everything.
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Can always have a line that is for sharing and keep the rest closed.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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Lol I just filled my 4th 1000stall barn because I only share once a year, if that. I keep everything I breed and only auction off some new foundation creates that got spayed from testing.Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes
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Right, that’s what I was thinking. Thank you.
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If it helps, by definition your line can't have much of a reputation if it's completely inhouse, and it's not very many generations before 'your line' doesn't get to dominate the other lines in a horse's pedigree. I also very rarely share my pixels (but that might have more to do with me being a pony hoarder) and I'm frequently surprised when a descendant from one of my horses pops up for sale. The most obvious one is an Ice 1 line...
Also consider that that in-house etiquette is also a largely unspoken idea. I suspect the people that are most familiar with it are what I would consider the old guard, players that have been around for years, and sometimes we assume that newer players know things we take for granted when they're just not that obvious. It's almost never malicious.
It also ultimately doesn't hurt your line, or your strain of a gene, or whatever. Like my Ice 1 stallion. At some point, somehow, a 3rd or 4th generation foal of his got woven into the junk ice that was going around a while back (which isn't even a thing anymore, really). I don't for a second think anybody was looking at those foals and seeing my stud way back in the foundation line and deciding all his descendants are worthless. Even I, as the "owner" of that line, ultimately don't care and don't go out of my way to look for them. I'm more focused on my own quality, and his 4th gen *Star/*Gold progeny.Thanked by 1BlackMagic -
don't for a second think anybody was looking at those foals and seeing my stud way back in the foundation line and deciding all his descendants are worthless
Yes THIS! I have seen people say before that they think their lines have some black mark for being over-bred. I have never once seen that be an issue. People don't want to buy horses from the low quality decedents but it's never the well bred farther back horses or foundations that have any stigma attached to them.
ETA: Heck no line in the history of the game was more trash bred than the Mr. Ninja line and people would probably mud wrestle to get one of those straws. Same is true for any of the gene founder foundations.Post edited by Ammit at 2018-01-25 09:58:52Need to contact me? Read this first.
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I don't remember Mr Ninja, must have been before I joined the game, and I've been around for a fair while now. 6 years or something I think?.
However, I do have outside horses in my barns, or foals from outside horses. I recently gelded one son I had from a straw, because I remembered to check the old rules after it became possible to comp test him to his sire which is now deceased and I did not own said sire. He didn't test superior so I gelded him. I did keep his son though, since he papered Star. I figured that would be good enough to keep the grandson. Like other said, I follow the honor system, but there have been times that I've forgotten about rules especially if it was a few generations or years down the line from the time I used the straw or egg.
I tend to keep my stallions in house, and rarely stand them public. If I do stand them public, I do my best not to look at their foals that aren't mine, lol. It would be nice if the breeders used at least mares of the same generation, but I know there are people that breed for show horses, or more recent players that just don't play by the old unspoken rules. It is what it is. I just do my best not to get uptight about it.
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Lol black market ;)
You take what you will from the game, you breed for what you want. You share what you want with who you want. Respect is reciprocal. Or so they say ;)
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Did I misunderstand something? Were you not talking about someone sharing from a clone? A clone has nothing to do with the line of the horse it was cloned from. I would never ask someone to keep a clone in house. There is no way to trace the clone to/from the original foundation, so I can't see how that would affect the desireability of the original?
I have to say, I have never even considered that someone would place rules on a clone I have bought/been gifted. I consider them "my own" line :OID 195859 -
No misunderstanding Maribo. It’s actually quite easy to trace back, I guess it just depends how you look at it.
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Clones of lined horses are still lined. They don't turn into foundations.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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Yeah, learned my lesson the hard way too. I will never share again.Who honors those we love for the very life we live? Who sends monsters to kill us and at the same time sings that we will never die? Who teaches us what's real and how to laugh at lies? Who decides why we live and what we'll die to defend? Who chains us and who holds the key that can set us free? It's You! You have all the weapons you need, now fight!
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Teehee i just looked at my show horse line that come from old lines from the old leaderboard. They go back to Mr Ninja i believe. We all wanted those lines at the time!