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Best way to breed intact foals
  • I'm still kinda new to this game, and initially I was just breeding for color, but I've decided to start trying to produce more breeding stock instead of just color. I've seen some people say things about only breeding evenly bred horses and like only breeding 2nd gens with other 2nd gens and such. Does this have a big impact on the likelihood of creating intact foals? Or what is the best way to try and produce intact foals?
  • Hi Dax,

    Breeding in general has a fair amount of randomness to it, so even when you do everything "right" you have something like a 75% chance the foal will not be breeding quality. That isn't a bad thing, it's just the way things are... and someday you'll wish for fewer intact foals.

    Like you've noted, one of the things you can do is try to match sire and dam quality. One of the easiest ways to do that is to keep like generations together, but you can also do it with equivalent paper levels. C-papered stallions are about the same as yellow-papered mares; B-papered stallions are like red mares, and so on. There's a bit about it in the FAQ. Breeding inspection now compares a horse to its sire and its dam, so if one is a lot better than the other, chances are the foal won't be as good as the better of the pair, which gets them snipped.

    The other thing you can do is take advantage of pasture breeding. Mares left in the pasture get a bonus for every day they're in them, up to a total of 30 days (which does reset if you take them out.) What this does is raises their average rolls, so the foals they produce are all closer to being at the higher end of the dam's breeding ability.
  • When breeding by hand, even with even breeding, you will get a fairly large number of neutered foals. I think this is by design, because neutered show horses become the financial support for your stable. It also is a help because it lets you know which horses will probably never be the parents of better foals.

    Leaving a selected group of mares with the same Paper level in a pasture for the full 30 days and adding a stallion with the equivalent paper level will increase the likelihood of more foals passing Breeding Advice or Strict Breeding Advice. However, there will still be some neuters in the bunch, and my experience, especially with colts, is that even then there are a significant number that I will neuter myself because they comparison test only about as good as their sires or even worse than brothers with the same paper level they have.

    There are two things to look at when breeding "even." One is to breed horses of the same generation, as you mentioned. The other is to breed horses with the same paper level.

    The PT test is divided into tenths of a point from 0 or below through about 15. That's a fairly fine sieve to separate horses by showing ability. Papering, on the other hand has basically 5 divisions that all horses can fall into--Showable Only/Failed, C/Yellow, B/Red, A/Blue, *Star/*Gold. As you can see, each level must contain a wider range of abilities than any division of the PT score. So it pays to check not only the generation number but also the paper level. It won't do much good to breed 2 second generation horses if the stallion is papered B and the mare is a second generation Yellow, and so forth.

    Let me emphasize once again, neutered horses are not a bad thing. It's often said that the ideal goal is to have at least 3 neutered horses for every 1 intact horse. I've even seen Ammit recommend that a better ratio is 10 neuters to every intact. Regularly trained and shown neuters make money for your stable through the showing bonus. Intact horses, if you are regularly breeding them, are costing you money, especially if they live in your pasture(s). If they are in barns, it's wise to also train and show them regularly, but neuters get a training advantage, which is also why they are an important part of your stable.

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