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What Color is THAT?
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Official Color: Smokey Black Frame Appaloosa
Genetic Code: Ee aa CcrC nd2nd2 gg FF SS pp LlpL ECA3P+ECA3P+ OlwO WF: Minimal
Does he have other genes like liver or DP that give him that offshade of black? Hes super neat!Post edited by bravo25 at 2018-12-30 17:43:05 -
found this on wiki about it :D
Smoky black is produced by the action of a heterozygous (single copy) cream gene on an underlying black coat color. Therefore, smoky black is a member of the cream family of coat color dilutions, and found in horse populations that have other cream gene-based colors such as palomino, buckskin, perlino and cremello. All smoky blacks must have at least one parent with the cream gene, and a smoky black can be verified through DNA testing. Smoky black has been mistaken for faded black, dark bay or brown, grullo or even liver chestnut.
A smoky black horse usually appears to be a black horse and the dilution gene dilution factor is not visible. However, the coat may be somewhat more prone to fade to a brown shade if weathered or sun-bleached. Conversely, just because a black horse may fade in the sun does not necessarily prove or disprove that it is a smoky black.
Two copies of the cream gene on a black base coat produce a smoky cream, a cream-colored horse which is visually difficult to distinguish from a perlino or cremello, but can be identified through DNA testing. :)
Post edited by Gypsylover18 at 2018-12-30 18:26:28 -
Looks to me like the appaloosa is having a slight bronzing affect on him. :)
Do a search for color name 'black appaloosa' and you can see some really neat examples.
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I have a real life horse in my barn who is a smokey black and he is beautiful :x
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It's more likely the LP color shifting/bronzing him. A single copy of cream has no impact on black pigment - that's why we buckskin horses with black points."Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving." - PTerry Pratchett
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I agree it's the Lp redshifting him. Cream seems to intensify the effect.Who honors those we love for the very life we live? Who sends monsters to kill us and at the same time sings that we will never die? Who teaches us what's real and how to laugh at lies? Who decides why we live and what we'll die to defend? Who chains us and who holds the key that can set us free? It's You! You have all the weapons you need, now fight!
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