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Let's talk about snipping
  • So for the life of my half tried coffee induced horse stresses brain I cant figure out Why some horses get snipped and others dont. Please explain to me what they need to pass the SBA or is it just totally random?

    ( haha usually all the horses that I'm excited about get snipped or super low papers )
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  • To pass SBA, foals need to be as good as or better than their parents. BA has a little bit looser standards.
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  • It's a measure of their unseen breeding ability/quality. So the A/B/Blue/Red papers etc are a general indication of their breeding quality, but BA, and more so SBA, compares a foal to their parents and snip them if they are considerably worse. So the ones that are snipped you usually don't want to be breeding from anyway!

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  • I hand geld the colts that only test AGA as their sire, even if they pass SBA.
  • I am even stricter. 2nd gen colts must be a paper level higher than their sire. If they are from ET, and I can afford it, I will boost a special,superior colt so it becomes a paper level higher.

    I start with B stallions - yellow & red mares in a pasture.
    2nd gen must be A stallions and Red/Blue mares.
    3rd gen is superior A stallions/Blue mares.
    4th Gen is star stallions (hard, but happens) and Gold/Blue mares.
    5th Gen is all Star (and superior)/Gold.
    Post edited by Visions at 2019-01-03 16:20:14
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  • I think I might start to follow your method, Visions. Unless i get that one pretty baby that I just can't get the guts to snip. Lol.
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  • I test everything lol, I'm not as strict as some, the boys have to be sup to sire or they get the snip

    I start with Expro mares and Expro studs, my pastures are not as big as some and since the change I haven't been able to get the full amount of time that I used too, hence the not as strict with the mares. They have to pass strict testing though.

    I do have a small amount of Yellows, (No C Studs) but they are the pasture and specific things that I am working on. (Brindle, Liver, pretty ... LOL)

    3rd gen mares must be blue unless its AI or a outside line, then I'm just breeding for the genes ( Or my Bring Back the Sun line)
    4th I let a little off, Boys can be an A but still sup to sire, girls blue (I do have a couple of Star breedings at this level)
    5th gen is star and gold (unless its a AI breeding or outside breeding)

    I don't boost that much, I try not to use boosted lines as I have found farther down the line it gets harder and harder to get them through just the testing. I even breed foundation to foundation, 2nd gen to 2nd gen ectra

    Looking forwards to a comparison for the mares (if that will be a thing) ... that would cut down on a huge number of mares that I'm hoarding cause "they are pretty" lol

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  • Mare hoarding is definitely a problem lol
    Although I have a second gen colt hoarding problem, too. Lol Everything always tests equal so I can’t narrow them down!
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    Plus some of them are pretty. Lol I was gelding 2nd gen colts who were C, but then I got a really neatly marked Liver. And, well....
  • I do the same as Visions, except I am still a bit lenient on the 4G boys. I will keep 4G As that are superior. I only let the absolute most special 2G boys stay if they are "only" superior to their sire, I prefer them to be superior to an expro even if they come from a C sire.
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  • I am on the same page as Corvus and Maribo. I only breed exceptional producers (with the rare Yellow rank special mare). 2nd gen must be superior to sire and pass SBA. I typically require them to paper A unless they are *really* special - but they still need to be superior. I have kept one or two "as good as sons" and they actually ended up producing some fantastic foals (I think one of my 4G *Gold mares came from a line like this), but it's more of an experiment if they have every gene I need.. if they are obviously a little worse than their sire, they get the snip, but some AGA boys are a little better than their sires.

    3G must be A (superior) for a colt and Red (pass SBA) or Blue for a mare. Most Red 3g mares I will snip, though.

    4G I will allow A papered boys as long as they continue to be superior to sire, mares must be Blue or *Gold.

    5G - I haven't gotten all of my lines to 5G yet, but I expect them to be *Star papered (I will make an exception for a very high A that is superior as well, especially if the 2G stallion was a superior B).

    Bottom line - I breed evenly, always use SBA, geld 99% of the "about as good as" sons, and geld/spay if they don't get the genes I need.
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  • Dang, my boys will be wanting to jump ship if they hear all of you. ^_^

    Except for my black arabs line, my standards are:
    Foundation: B & Red (very rare yellow)
    2nd gen: A (but not the low As, I have a slightly boosted A they have to be AAGA) and Blue (I've culled probably 90% of my Reds, those kept have passed SBA and are special in some fashion)
    3rd gen: A that tests superior to the 2g benchmark and Blue
    4th gen: Star and Gold (I've been culling all 4th gen Blues that I kept due to color over the last 6 months)
    5th and up: colts must test superior to sire and to benchmark stud, mares must pass SBA and my goal is that they will be culled around 10 yrs old or so based on amount of intact foals but this happens maybe once a real life year or two lol.

    My black arabians are from C/Yellow foundations so they have a one level difference. 2nd gens are B/Red, 3rd are A/Blue, 4th are A/Blue and 5th are supposed to be Star/Gold but I'm not getting that far yet.




    oh, and it's "about as good as" - not "as good as". Very subtle difference, but there is one. Example using Stallion Alpha, Stallion Omega and Stallion Zed.

    Alpha tests worse than Zed.
    Omega tests aaga Alpha, and then also tests aaga Zed.

    Because you've tested Alpha and Zed against each other as well as against Omega, you then know that Omega really is slightly better than Alpha but is slightly worse than Zed - despite testing 'about as good as' both.


    edit because of typo!
    Post edited by Johara at 2019-01-04 13:25:09
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  • My stallions must be superior to sire.

    I start with C foundations for the most part.

    So for me, progression is this

    C - B - A - A(sup to sire) - Star

    Now, I've had a few C - B - A - Stars happen. Very rare, but not impossible.

    I basically require all stallions to be A at 3rd gen. All must be Star at 5th gen.

    Now for my foundation boys that are B

    generally it is B - A(preferred)- A(sup to sire) - Star.

    However, I find those sire lines more difficult to work with due to mare lag

    Sometimes I will accept a 2nd gen B that is sup to sire if I don't have any other sons, and he meets all my other criteria.

    For my mares

    I require my mares to paper blue at 3rd gen, and gold at 5th gen.

    I am now getting more and more mares that are Yellow Red Blue so that's the progression line I am adopting and not keeping any new 3rd gen reds from yellow foundations.

    I run all my foals through SBA, and I always breed even generations.

    I feel that my standards are very acceptable for someone who can't afford to work with "top of the line" lines.


    Post edited by Forestshadow at 2019-01-04 13:36:36
  • My one C (Foundatio) stallion, so far, seems to be outproducing my B (Foundation) stallion. And my other C stallion, too, actually. It will be interesting to see how this breeding season goes! Tomorrow I breed the first group of mares to the B stallion! \:D/

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