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- bluchrystals February 2019
- Herzeloyde February 2019
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In Love With nd1
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I decided to add some nd1 to my Gulastra Plume lines. So I started out with a stud, a handful of mares, and some straws from some very generous players and am starting to get some pretty nice results.
This was my first blue papered homozygous nd1 horse from last breeding season:
https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=7601005
This year I have gotten these two blue papered mares:
https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=7774762
https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=7774817
Can't wait to get more nd1 into my lines.
Post edited by Pagan at 2019-02-09 19:45:53 -
I don't mean this in a rude way at all, but what is the difference? I've seen a lot fI people talking about this gene. I'm just not seeing the results.
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Haha hi it's me again lol, Nd1 is a dilution of the Dun Gene. It's "main" feature is the darkened shoulder marking that's more pronounced (and prettier in my opinion). If you want me, and others if willing, will give you plenty examples (and some more information about it) to look at and to help you see the big difference. Just PM me if you want me to look some up for you! It really can be a pretty sight to see!
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oooooooohhhh. The Brindle! Magnificent!
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I see the mark you're talking about, Wolvevenfrost. I think I should stick with my appys, before I get into even more trouble. My chinchillas are bad enough.Post edited by bluchrystals at 2019-02-09 10:55:13
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Oh trust me, it happens to everyone. You always find something new and pretty you want to take home. I've see it all before haha!Post edited by Wolvevenfrost at 2019-02-09 17:03:34
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@paradoxphoenix yeah I was surprised to get the solid brindle out of 2 appy parents lol
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Oh wow, that brindle!
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OK! I went looking for some examples. Here are two Cherry drop horses with almost identical genes, one has nd1 and the other does not. The white tail on the one with nd1 is due to having two copies of Gulastra Plume
No nd1
nd1 with Gulastra Plume
This is another Cherry drop with Gulastra Plume, but has some different genes and does not have nd1
Hope this helps.Post edited by Pagan at 2019-02-09 19:42:14 -
@ bluchrystals: This may be more information than you want to bother with, but here is a fuller explanation of nd1, in case you are interested.
Dominant Dun is a dilution gene that affects both red and black pigment. It creates a dark dorsal stripe down the spine, frequently gives "zebra stipes" on the lower legs, and sometimes a dark stripe across the withers. These markings are called "primitive" markings because they were present on the earliest horses known, as seen in cave paintings and on the wild Przewalski's horses of the Asian steppes.
Ammit has said that these primitive markings are places where the coat color remains undiluted.
At some point, a mutation took place in the gene, now discovered to be the allele termed nd1 (for non-dun 1). It is not dun but causes a slight dilution of the coat color and, most markedly, a broad dark patch over the withers. This allele is prominent in the Andalusian and Lusitano horses of the Iberian peninsula because of the separation of the peninsula from the rest of Europe by the Pyrenees mountains. Horses from these breeds were important in the scientific identification of this allele. It is recessive to dominant Dun.
Still later, another mutation in the gene took place that removed any dilution of the coat color, giving clear, bright tones. This change became so desirable that the nd1 allele was largely bred out of most blood lines. It is recessive to both nd1 and Dun.
The reason players are so excited over nd1 is that it is the newest of the real genes introduced into the game. Ammit released it just at the end of November and had it on sale throughout December. It remains available in the GMT Lab for 5 tokens per copy.
Here is my nd1 Foundation stallion.
The Well Of Evening
He is a non-sooty Bay Splash.
For contrast, here is a non-sooty Bay.
Independent Jewel
And here is a non-sooty Bay Dun.
Endorios
Here is a non-sooty Bay Dun showing the primitive markings.
6567248Post edited by SandyCreekAcres at 2019-02-09 20:22:07Thanked by 1Pagan -
I can definitely see the difference on your stallion, SandyCreek. It kind of looks like the horse has been outlined in the normal color and faded inside the lines. I don't see it as clearly on the darker colors. By the way, yours is beautiful that color. Thank you for the examples, Pagan and SandyCreekAcres.
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Thanks, bluchrystals. I'm glad the examples helped. You are correct, the darker the horse's base coat the more difficult it can be to see the effect of nd1.
Here's a black with the mane off the withers. If you look closely, you can definitely see the nd1 markings.
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It also helps to turn the brightness all the way up on my phone. :D
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Don't worry I have mine turned down less than a quarter halfway there all the time. I know what you mean. -
Saves battery and my eyes, but it did nothing for the color of that gene.
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Yep! Same with me, my eyes just can't handle it sometimes. But I do find myself turning the brightness waaay up because I want a better look at a pretty baby. It's also easy for me to miss Nd1 sometimes when the brightness just isn't enough. But because I pretty much know what to look for its easy to find it most of the times for me. Unless the horse is just so dark you can't see it or there's white factor or kits covering it up.Post edited by Wolvevenfrost at 2019-02-10 09:44:09
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They're lovely! Nd1 is one of my new favorites as well. I just finished GMTing this foundation mare, though I'm debating turning her into a him since I have no homozygous Nd1 boys. :) Nd1 looks beautiful with everything, but I particularly love it with DP and S+. :)
ss Anglja
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I agree, and your stallion is stunning @Sharayah Stables
Here is my new favourite foundation. He is the Hunt and Jump-version of my real life horse. But after seing Nd1 with Sooty+, I regret not adding it to him. I must breed it into his lines in a future generation:)
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@Sharayah Stables, I have sent you two homozygous nd1 straws from my foundation GP stud
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And to have a further boast, I have just bred this stunning homozygous nd1 colt. He is hom. for Gulastra Plume and snowflake Appaloosa and het. for Dense Pheomelanin and Kit Promoter.
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@Pagan & @Herzeloyde, would you be willing to sell some straws from your foundation boys? They are exactly what I am looking for!HJ1 160524
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Pagan - Thank you so much! And your new foal is stunning!
I’m likely turning that mare I posted above into a stud, so I’ll send you straws or an egg depending on which when she’s of age :)Thanked by 1Pagan