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Dapples
  • Hi - Could someone explain how dapples are produced. I have gone over the genetics page and I thought that they may be dictated by the Sooty gene but am not sure how. So I have seen dapples on S+ Ssty and I have a Ssty Ssty with Dapples. I'm finding the genetics in this game quite hard to crack!

    Thanks
  • Hi Sookieboo, no worries about not being sure about it; as the genetics in this game are based on real life, they are just as complicated as in real life. So it can be really hard to grasp what causes what! But that's also (to me) what makes this game so interesting :)

    I copied this explanation from a comment I made a while ago in another thread about dapples: https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/34215/the-dapples-look-at-the-dapples/p2


    Basically there are 3 things/genes that influence the amount of dapples: DP, Sty+ and Silver. However, there are also occurances of random dappling, if you reroll the image of a simple stysty chestnut for example they could end up with some dapples.

    DP makes the coat darker, so the dapples are more pronounced.
    STY+ causes Dappling in itself, but if the horse already has some dappling going on that gets more pronounced too.
    Silver horses also have dappling more often than non silver horses, plus the silver makes the coat slightly dilluted so the dapples show better (just like the dapples show better on buckskins).

    This horse is hetero DP with some dapples:
    image
    MS2 Sugarolas hetKPDP


    This one is homo DP and also has S+, you see there are more pronounced dapples:
    image
    MS3 SilverlightTurksSFpGP


    This is a buckskin with DP and S+:
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    MS3 DAPPLYDEE SHOWW


    This is a silver buckskin dun (het DP, no s+), you see a little bit of dappling.
    image
    MS2 SuggyishYou KPhDP


    This is a silver bay dun (het DP, no S+, but 1 sty more than the horse above), you see the dappling better:
    image
    MS2 NICE 7666908


    Some more silver examples:
    These are two regular silver black horses, 1st one has no sty at all, 2nd one has 2 copies of normal sty.
    image
    MSRrs In Time

    image
    MS Public Chanel L


    This horse has S+, adding more dapples:
    image
    MS Whirling Steak KP


    It's a bit harder to see but this horse is a silver smokey black with 1 copy of S+, but also having 1 copy of cream that dillutes the coat. To me, that makes the dapples stand out even more.
    image
    MS7 MilleniumWhirlig


    Finally, this is a hetero DP S+ Silver Black horse, making the coat darker and thus making the dapples stand out even more:
    image
    MS2 SummerReturnedGPDP


    So to conclude, a normal horse can have some dapples, but that's rare. Silver horses have dapples more often, as well as DP horses. S+ horses always have dapples.
    Ofcourse there are also the champagne horses, they are similar to silver horses with how often they have dapples, but to me that looks more like leopard spots instead of dapples:
    image
    MSH Panthera PAS

    (This was an old horse I had)

    I hoped this helped a bit! :)

    Edit: Oh and I just wanted to end with these two beauties, first one S+, Het DP, silver buckskin with cream:
    image
    MS4 It Escaped DP


    Homo DP S+ liver:
    image
    MS3 Morniyad LOOVEE SHOW


    Finally, some champagnes also seem to have 'dappling', however that is usually referred to as 'reverse' dappling. On page 3 of the other topic are some examples about that.

    So I hoped this explained it a bit and made it clearer to you what causes dapples. For more info and more examples I'd recommend reading/scrolling through this thread:
    https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/34215/the-dapples-look-at-the-dapples/p2

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  • Thanks Master StablesMS . I will read carefully.
    Im not sure I know what DP is on the genetics page it seems to come in the same gene are as Sooty are they different genes in the string of genetics or is DP a combination on the Sooty gene. Im sure that probably sounds silly.
  • Hmmm so does DP appears as Ssty on the Gene string?
  • No silly questions are here! It would be silly not to ask them; then you'll never now!

    DP is like Ssty (and S+) a darkening gene, thus darkening the coat of a horse. On a chestnut or palomino stysty horse you will get liver chestnuts or chocolate palomino's, and with two copies of DP (so stysty DPDP) you'll get black chestnuts (liver chestnuts but they look black) and real dark chocolates.
    However, DP only affects red pigment (so you won't see it on black horses but you will see it on red based horses (ee) and on bays/browns as they have red pigment too).
    I think because it is also a darkening gene it's on the same page of the genetics guide as sty is.

    DP is a hidden gene, so it does not show up in the color /gene test. However, it does change the name of stysty palomino's into chocolate palomino's and of stysty chestnuts into liver chestnuts. That way you know for sure that your horse has DP, otherwise you'll have to train your eye to spot it :)



    This is from another comment I made a while ago, but it has some very useful links with explanations and examples on DP:



    This is a topic about how DP works in general (with examples on chestnuts):
    https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/79172

    I'd recommend reading this topic first, as it explains 'how' DP works, the other topics I'm about to post are about other colors but it is useful to understand the basics first.



    Here are two topics specially about chocolate palomino's:
    https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/103755#Comment_103755
    https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/95604#Comment_95604

    And this is a topic about DP on bays and browns:
    https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/102994#Comment_102994


    This is another interesting topic about spotting DP (and seeing if a horse is homo or hetero DP):
    https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/96909#Comment_96909

    Lot to read, but hope it helps! And don't hesitate to ask any questions you have, now and in the future, on whatever topic / gene/ horse you need help with! :)
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  • Thanks again - I want to try and work out why I have 2 horses with similar genes but one has dapples one doesnt. I will go away and read but may be back if I cant figure it out ;)
  • For all of the genes listed above, except for S+ (which always causes some amount of dapples), the dapples are an option for the image generator when these genes are present, but they do not always appear. You can re-roll a horse's image (from its control panel tab) and get dapples to appear or disappear. Blue eyes for horses with splash work the same way.
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  • Ah I see - so its not always automatic that dapples appear. This girl was the reason I started looking at what caused dapples I thought she should have dapples due to her gene string which is what started me looking into what causes them. I have rerolled her twice and not had any luck and as a newbie without much HB might just have to accept she wont have them!

    https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=8375388
  • Oh and thank you both for your time your help is very much appreciated.

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