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Further experiments, bred his comparable half brother to an equal number of mares and got more normal results. Mostly spelds with a couple superiors. None that passed but worse! ODD! Officially snipping first stud and all his get.

Thanks for attending my TED talk :)) sometimes you have to jump the gun on things.

I don't think they can pass SBA and compare worse than a parent, BA yes, not SBA. They can be a couple of points worse I think and pass SBA but not enough to compare worse

I have had several compare better than sire/dam and then not pass sba.

You should always post links if you have questions about a horse so we can clarify things better.

My question is how many mares did you breed to him to determine he was a dud? There’s a reason studs need to have 25 foals before they are eligible for the leaderboards (if you only bred 4-6 foals and they all compared worse than that pool is very small and could be just bad luck. If you bred him 30 times and most were worse than then he could be a dud)

Also what sort of mares were you breeding him to. Is it a lined stud that you bred to a group of foundation mares? Did you match generations and papers?