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Let's talk about tack and showing
  • There as long been a desire by members to make tack an important part of showing. I would love to hear some discussion and ideas from you all how how we could make that happen. I would love to this but also don't want to alienate the big barns or make a pay to win scenario.
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  • I don't use a lot of tack because I find it takes away from the artwork of the horse itself. I wouldn't like tacking up the horses just to increase show ability, it still would take away from the art. Also, I wouldn't be able to look at the tack and tell if this saddle is hunter or jumper, same goes for bridles. I would have no clue what used what for what disciplines.
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  • I think that tack with training bonuses would be a fantastic way to give small barns a edge against the giants with 1500+ show ponies. Particularly, if the tack was discipline specific. i.e. Jumper tack on a hunter would act as a training detriment.

    As a possible added edge (ducks and hides: this might be a coding nightmare) it may be cool if when the horse was created, the system generated tack preferences for that horse. Personally, I do not have time to go through a decide if ShowPony101 prefers leather or webbed girth and needs a full set of shoes or not. But, when I first started and for the first year I played, I believe that I would have had the time.

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  • The barns with 1500 show ponies don't have quite the advantage you think. ;) They make more money, but they spend a whole lot too - back when I was running barns that big, I'd pay out a few hundred k in show entries every day.
  • I would not like a system where tack items add to training and showing scores. However, I'll respect Ammit's final decision.
  • I would love to hear some more discussion on this :)
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  • Well, I rarely show, on HJ1 (but starting on HJ2), and I don't tack my horses much on either one, as I too like to see the horse and not the tack, so I'm not big into having tack help the horse show. Personally I wouldn't like it if I had a good show horse and they suddenly were not as good because they were showing against horses enhanced by their show ware, instead of taking on the horse on equal horse to horse levels.
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  • I think some of us are approaching this from the standpoint that a 9.9 pt horse tacked up would train like a 10 or 10.1 pt horse. (This was my understanding)

    And some us are under the opinion that a tacked up horse will place higher in a show than an un-tacked horse.
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  • I'm not sure I would be a fan of this. For one thing, I have way too many show horses to have a prayer of trying to get them all tacked up. I barely get them all named every year! Trying to make sure they all had stuff on so I wasn't getting smacked in the show ring would begin to feel like a job.

    Also, the clearest edge here would go to small stables who have recruited enough other players to have access to the referral tack. Which I suppose might be part of your goal here, but still.

    In general the only tack I use right now is decorative. All of my stallions get some version of the bridle and reins, for example, and all of the horses in one of my color lines have minimal matching gear. Arguably I could just tack up the speuters but...
  • I still haven't even found the time to turn off testing for my show horses, so I can color test my foals from last season and this season. In theory, it's a lovely idea, but I for one don't have the time to do that much work to tack up a horse. I just barely got back into showing the past few months after ditching my entire show string last winter. Something like this would probably make me ditch showing again. Showing is the only reason I keep my level 5 going as well. I thought I should throw that out there. Without showing, I'd have no need to keep it going either.
    Post edited by BlueSprings at 2014-03-24 08:09:27
  • If it is decided that the show system will take tack into consideration, maybe one solution could be split it into categories? Like "tacked horses only"? However I think it would mean extra work for Ammit, and I really don't know if would worth it.

    Personally I think that the "magic" or "beauty" of the game is exactly to breed for excellency, generation by generation, just like in real life. To tack a pixel pony in order to improve its chance to better place at show, would turn a little bit pointless all those selection efforts.

    We already have boost tokens and speed training, do we really need another show boost?
  • do we really need another show boost?



    Maybe not that is why I asked. For years people have been asking me to put this in the game.
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  • With the route the game has gone after what's been added since tack was introduced, I'm now be opposed to tack adding any sort of bonus. I'm kind of with JDiamondW, I don't put tack on my horses now (besides maybe grooming attributes) because I feel it detracts from the horse's artwork.
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  • I am also with most of the veterans here. At one time, the thought of tack boosting a horses ability was worth thinking about, but with the way the game has added boosts and speed training, I don't think it is necessary. I think it would be more work and hassle than it would be worth. I have way too many horses to worry about tacking up. I personally use tack to help me visually identify a line of a horse. What few Gold mares I have usually have a yellow halter, blues have a blue halter, or something like that. There are a few special horses that I go all out on, but other than that, I don't tack a horse up much.
  • Maybe have it boost the winnings by a small percentage? Not enough to skew the game economics, just like 5- 10% or something? Just enough to help people on the edge of making a profit without making it a requirement to stay competitive. You'd still have to have a horse good enough to finish in the money, so it wouldn't make a horse's foals look better than they are, or make up for bad breeding choices. This also wouldn't impact people who don't dress their horses, since it still comes down to the horse being able to finish in the money. (I also happen to be a fan of the artwork.)

    And why...umm...because a well turned out horse would attract new borders and students to your barn? Thus giving your barn a small boost to income?

    Side note: I don't think anything silly like the unicorn horns should have a boost factor to them. They are just for silly fun. :)
    Post edited by Gael4ce at 2014-03-24 18:30:57
  • How about looking at this from a different perspective?

    What about horses winning tack items rather than needing them? Since tack is on a referral basis right now, some of the more exclusive tack items are unobtainable to some players.

    Of course this would need a good deal of thought to figure out what and how certain tack items would get awarded. It might even require new tack items like halters with small plaques placed on the bridge of the nose and saddle pads with with a plaque in the corner.

    This may not be the route you were wanting to take, but it's food for thought. :)
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  • Ooh. I like that idea. :)
  • That's actually what I thought she meant when I first saw the post. lol
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  • I would be interested to hear how you guys think that should work. Also curious about people wanting to win tack but at the same time saying they don't want to put tack on their horse...?
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  • Well, does it have to be "tack" persay? What about winning other things that are listed, like the shiney spray (which I do use), or grooming stuff. Also, what about winning tattoo slots. Maybe after a few wins to build up points or such to put toward an item you can win, sort of like getting tickets at a carnival fair, the more tickets you get, the bigger the prize you can afford.

    But, to make it so they don't build up , I think there should be a time limit to their use, like every turnover or every other turnover. (So like a four month deadline to use them.)
    Post edited by KerredansCorral at 2014-03-25 12:38:13
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  • Oh, if I *won* stuff I'd put it on my horse 'cause...well...trophies are cool, no matter what form they take. :)
    Post edited by Gael4ce at 2014-03-25 12:53:37
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  • I'm with Gael - I don't generally take the time to add tack to my horses, but if they won something I would absolutely take the time. I don't think we need any more boosts (period). I'd rather see it used as a reward system.

    I'm one of the many that can't use the referral items (because I can never seem to get/hold on to referrals no matter how I try. So those items would be nice too :(
  • I agree, I like using tack and such as a reward base system, but not necessarily just on referrals as it is now. I used to have 10+ referrals at one point, but only have 1 now. I find them hard to maintain, as people come and go over the years. I'd love to have other ways to access grooming items like shiny spray, which is easily my favorite "tack" item. I'd certainly utilize any tack items that were won as others pointed out, especially if they're an exclusive reward.

    I'm also with DCF, in that I don't think the game needs any more boosts, unless they're something statistical based, with a range of possible inheritance from their parents based on their statistical range. That's off topic, just something this made me think of. ;)

    Anyway, I love Jbar's perspective on this.
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  • Of course this would need a good deal of thought to figure out what and how certain tack items would get awarded. It might even require new tack items like halters with small plaques placed on the bridge of the nose and saddle pads with with a plaque in the corner.


    Mental exercise I don't really have the capacity for right now. I am swamped with work with the other game. Buy you guys sit down and hammer out something that makes sense and I will see what I can do.
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  • Winning tack is a great idea! I personally don't tack my horses much... Maybe a halter every once and a while (I have one horse with full tack.) I agree with most of you. To much tack takes away from the horse itself.
    We really don't need another boost, with speed training and all.
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  • People keep talking about speed training but I think most of you have not noticed it changed.
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  • It did?
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  • I'm like a lot of the others: I use some limited tack for visual sorting purposes, but, its minimal (usually just a halter). I don't use much tack because I like to look at the horses. But if they won something, that'd be cool, and I WOULD be inclined to use it despite my general attitude otherwise. I MUCH prefer the idea of winning tack via showing than tack influencing showing results.
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  • This is slightly off topic but as far as tack and grooming items via referrals go, I too am at the bottom of my barrel of friends who were willing to try the game and stick with it. I'd use shiny spray, certain tails and bling browbands if I had access to them at least on my stallions and favorites. I'd consider paying a buck or two more a month for a "groom" that gave me access to these otherwise unobtainable items. I've given up, before I even got started, on winning club awards and having even a moderately successful show strings. There's no way to be competitive with the stables who dominate the boards as I just don't have the time to monitor my show horses nor funds to use boosts and build boosted bloodlines. I stick with the game for the art work and the anticipation of the next foal crop's colors and patterns.
  • Boosts just speed things up. You can be very competitive without them, it just takes more time and planning.

    I don't use them and I've won plenty in my time.
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  • Agree with Gael. I'm not a big stable, I don't use to buy boosts to my horses, and even then I managed to have a few of them on the leaderboards. Well, there are really few, but I found awesome to see the ribbons on their pages. With the "old" system, I couldn't even dream about being where I'm now.
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  • It is VERY possible to get on the LBs with out boosts. In fact on a few of the boards it is impossible to even be on them with boosts any boosts. That was the whole point of the new Lbs to make it available.
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  • If tack did something, not necessarily for showing, I would be more inclined to invest in it. The only reason I don't is because as far as I know it doesn't have any benefit right now.
  • I believe the point people made is that they did not want it to do something.
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  • I would be among those that like the idea of winning tack items or winning credit to purchase tack items.

    Also love the idea of 'hiring' or paying for a groom or trainer that would give me access to shiny spray, etc.
  • I like tack as decorative items. My lines all have specific tacking schemes, and I would hate to have to change them just to show well.
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  • To be honest, I don't use tack. I'm just not into the whole bling thing, and just find it distracting. I don't even use visible tattoos. I guess if boosts are tied to it, I'll just have to find a way to adjust things so my non-boosted horses can compete.

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