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Looking for Input on Bootstrapping for Show Horses
  • I understand the general concept of bootstrapping as far as you take a high quality stallion and use him to improve the quality of the foals from low quality mares. I see a lot of comments about new players should avoid bootstrapping. If I recall correctly, this was because of an abnormally high amount of spayed/gelded foals. I can't remember where, but recently I read a comment about star/gold foals being possible from foundations with a high enough star stallion.

    I'm toying with the idea of seeing if I can find a high star stallion. My thoughts are to breed this stallion to red papered foundations each month and spay/geld 100% of the foals to build a higher PT show string than I can currently make with B/red and A/blue pairings.

    Is this a good plan or doomed to fail spectacularly? Does anyone have experience doing this?
  • Hm. I joined during an October and was bootstrapping by January - I got my first bootstrap stud during Secret Santa that year. I think the hardest part about bootstrapping as a new account is affording testing - 1k for breeding inspection is a lot to have to pay for when you only have an income of 5k a day, for example.

    I think your plan is sound - the goal of bootstrapping is to focus on show ponies. I might tweak it though and save a couple of the higher-papered fillies to become broodmares themselves though - there's no penalty for inbreeding in this game, so in four game years you can breed the daughters back to their sire (or another Star stallion) and get even high quality foals.

    For example: Silver Tinsel is a gold mare I got from my bootstrap stallion and a foundation. Her foals have PT scores in the high 12-low 13 range.
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    BS Silver Tinsel UG


    I bred back one of her foals, SilverNGold, to the the same stallion. She only has two foals so far, but they have PT scores of 13.5 and 13.6.
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    BS4 SilverNGold


    That way you won't only have to use foundations. There's nothing wrong with doing it your way, though!
    "Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving." - PTerry Pratchett
    Breeder of big spot appaloosas with fantasy colors and Kit M.


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  • I have been doing exactly this myself. I have a *Star stallion with a 13.1 PT in a pasture with Yellow mares. I think some of them were originally Red papered, but they have mostly aged out of the game. All the foals from that pasture have been neutered by testing. His AFPT is 11.58.

    The oldest of his foals are 11 this game year, so I've been doing this for almost a real life year. The lowest PT in his offspring is 11.0, and there are only two that low.

    As long as you have other lines you're using for breeding intact foals from, this is a reliable way to build up a show string. Of course, it will be several game years before each crop is contributing much to the showing bonus, but this a game requiring an eye on the long term results, not a quick fix.

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  • @ChateauAlbere, that's how I do it, too. I take the foals and breed back if the paper higher than their dams, then spay the dams after I have enough fillies.
  • Thank you all! That gives me some thoughts to ponder.

    My original plan involved creating 4 year old red papered mares, breeding, then selling them so I didn't need to take up barn/pasture space. I never even thought about keeping anything intact to further improve PT scores.

    If I collected Exceptionally Perfect mares, I could stash them in a barn, use them as show ponies, and let them eventually earn their keep.

    If I had the pasture space, the pasture bonus would be nice for making higher PT foals.

    Like I said, things to ponder.
    Thanks! :)
  • I know a lot of people breed their bootstrapped fillies back to their sire, but I can't bear to inbreed, so I've actually bought 2 Star stallions & a couple high A's. And since then I've bred one Star stallion & several more A's myself! If you keep an eye out, you can find some nice Star/Gold stock to get you started.

    Every season I breed them to ExPro/ExPer mares, then keep 10.7 PT or higher foals as show ponies (10.8 starting this season), Blue papered fillies with consistent PT's as producers.

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