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Gene carrier
  • I am still a lil new to this but curiosity has me wonderin. If a horse is a carrier, but the gene doesnt show, will it still pop up in a foal? Say a 1st gen has shows the gene but the 3rd gen is a carrier, kinda deal?
  • If a horse carries a testable gene, it will show up in the gene test. If it did not inherit a specific gene from either parent, that gene will not show up.

    However, there are several hidden (non-testable) genes--Dense Pheomelanin (DP), Gulastra Plume (GP), Kit Promoter (KP), and Snowflake. These never show up in a gene test.

    At one time, a horse's gene test reported every testable gene, whether the horse had a copy of it or not. Enough players were confused by this that Ammit decided to include only the genes that were present, along with the the basic color genes. Ee AA CC nd2nd2 gg Ff SS Pp

    I'd like to clarify the terminology here: Every horse has 2 copies of every gene. However, not every horse carries a mutated version of a gene that can have a visible effect. The correct term would be allele, but we don't always use it because it's a technical term from genetics and not every one is familiar with it.

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  • When asking questions about particular genes or horses it’s always best to include a link so we can really help you to understand on something your looking at

    Personally I breed for KP (a hidden gene) and only mark (with a prefix or at the end of their name) my Homo KP horses and their het offspring (only inherited one copy) their grand foals don’t get marked unless they are guaranteed to have at least 1 KP from the other parent or are themselves showing KP.
    Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes
  • Same, for untestable genes I record only what I can 100% know. After a couple generations, when something pops up (like hom KP) I can mark down both parents as at least being het, but that's all.
    ID #238663, she/her pronouns
  • Ah, ha! okies, that makes sense. so if the allele is there in one parent in a previous generation, and doesn't show up at all in a more recent generation, then that foal will not have that gene unless it's hidden and the only want to know the hidden allele was even there, is to have one pop up on a foal.

    That answers that! Thank you!

    Another question. In the auctions, I look for certain traits, and a list comes up with foals that obviously do not have the trait listed at all, and it should be a showable trait. So what about those as carriers?
    Post edited by Blacklightning0581 at 2020-02-23 08:09:14
  • What trait are you meaning?
    ID #238663, she/her pronouns
  • If both parents are carriers of a gene (heterozygous), hidden or otherwise, then the foal will have a 25% chance of inheriting a copy from both parents and being homozygous for the gene. It's all modeled after real life genetics. I'll give you an example, using a hidden gene. If I'm going way too simple, which I might be now that I see your above response, I apologize. BUT now I've gotten this far so I'm going to finish. This is Aristo:
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    Aristo

    Aristo is homozygous snowflake, that's why he's all white now in his old age. When he was younger he had those little snowflake spots. Snowflake is recessive, so a horse needs to be homozygous to show it (and have a copy of appaloosa).
    These are two of Aristo's foals, Seelie and Gisele.
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    Seelie

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    Gisele

    They are both heterozygous for snowflake because they got one copy from Aristo (as all his foals do since he's hom) and neither of their mothers had snowflake.
    Then I bred the two of them together (inbreeding has no negative effects in game) and got this girl:
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    Myrtha

    Myrtha is homozygous snowflake. Each parent had a 50-50 chance of passing on their copy, and she got both, which maths to a 25% chance.

    Then I bred her to this guy, before I gelded him, who has the same story- both his parents are Aristo's foals, both are het, and he's hom
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    Jen the Gelfling

    and got this pretty girl, who is young enough that you can actually still see the snowflake, lol. She has to be hom snowflake, because both of her parents are.
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    Aughra

    Now, for an added bonus, Aughra is also hom satin, another recessive gene. That's why she's got that pretty shiny coat. Satin is not a hidden gene, so if you look at the genetic test results of the horses on her pedigree, you can follow it. Aristo is homozygous satin. All his foals, which means all four of Aughra's grandparents, are at least het satin. Both of her parents, Jen and Myrtha, inherited a copy from one parent but not the other. Myrtha, for instance, inherited Gisele's copy but missed Seelie's. (There's a 50% chance of that happening when both parents are het like that.) Then Aughra got both. So we have Aristo, who's satin, then two generations with no visible satin, but all carriers, and then Aughra, who's all shiny!

    Okay, I hope this helps and was neither too confusing nor too basic! =))
    I second PPN, I'd love links to the horses and/or search you're referencing so we can figure it out, I'm curious now!
    Spiderweb Stables
    ID Number: 238452
    He/Him pronouns
  • That's an excellent demonstration, Taliesin.

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  • What traits are you looking for?

    The more specific you are the better we can help.

    The search is very powerful and can be used to really narrow down the list shown but other times you may be asking it for contradictory genes that are not possible to show what your actually looking for
    Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes

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