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High PT Stalled...Any Adivce?
  • I am running into a stall with my breeding program and I am wondering if anyone has any advice...

    The best three intact horses I have bred at 13.9PT, and a handful are 13.8pt. However, whenever I breed their PTs together, I get sometimes as low as 12.6/inconsistent or 13.1/incon. I have been trying to get past the 14PT mark as a personal goal for months now.

    Currently, I have all my high PT mares in pasture with a 30+ day bonus, and I typically only keep and breed my aga mares (it has been RARE I get a superior filly). I only keep and breed then my AGA colts as long as they all test AGA each other (or around the PT score).

    My ID is 231443 - most of my studs are in my Lined Horses tab, and all of my mares in question are in the High PT pasture. Any advice would be helpful, thank you!
  • are there any actual 14's in game right now?
    Anni9

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  • Currently the highest in the game is 15.2

    My understanding is that it gets exponentially harder to increase PT the higher you get, so it's normal to have periods where you stall.

    It's also important to note that PT score and Breeding Ability are technically not related. We associate high PT scores with high papers, but just because those are your highest PT score horses does not mean they are your highest Breeding Ability horses.
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  • You really need to be looking at the average foal PT of your mares at that stage not their own PT scores to figure out how good they are.
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  • @Ammit
    I did do a recent cull on my mares, any if they produced less than half their foal count pt scores lower than theirs I sold/snipped them.
    I still need to cull my boys too, I have not done that yet.
    I saw a few people got over the 14PT hump by boosting, and I do strangely enough have a 5% boost....would that be worth it ?
  • If you have the funds, take one of your colts that tests aaga as the majority of your stallions, and switch him to a mare. Then compare test against your best mares. You'll probably find that your stallions seem to have a much higher breeding score than your mares. Then, if you boost your best stallion, you'll probably end up with better PT scores but far fewer intacts. I speak from my own experience!
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  • I BootStrap so I consistently breed back to the same mares. I only keep the studs that pass SBA then if I don't forget I do a 5% boost before breeding. Hopefully the trend will continue.

    My original stud from an outside straw. No boost, no testing, snipped when I got a passing colt. 11.8 PT

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    SH Dripping Diamonds


    Second stud. Passed SBA, no boost. 11.7 PT

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    BS Diamond Drop chin


    Current stud. Passed SBA, 5% boost. 12.6 PT

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    BS Diamond Commander


    Current stud. Passed SBA, forgot to boost, but tested Superior to Sire. 13 PT

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    BSs Commanders Presence


    Future stud. Passed SBA, 5% boosted. 13.5 PT

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  • @Johara
    I might give that a try next season, thank you for the advice. For the *most part*, my intact ratio is 5-18 intact & 20-30 spelds (the intact goes down, too, if I cull colts or worse than fillies).

    @bluchrystals
    So bootstrapping, do you think boostrapping from 11/12pt and NOT testing until I get a superior son will help..? Can you elaborate a bit please on how yoi handled and managed your herd?
  • The only culling I initially did with my herd was to put a little more color and special genes in. I've started to test some of the mares against their dams, but it's still mostly higher PT and color that I'm interested in. The only major thing I've tested and boosted has been my studs. Since I am BootStraping I haven't SBA tested my fillys. I started with a few gold mares that I picked up mostly from Johara and started breeding back to the fillies I got. So far the highest filly has been 13.6 PT, but I don't know what I'll get this coming couple seasons. When I do cull the fillies, I cull for color and consistency. I'm getting ready to do an age cull so hopefully I'll still get some decent PTs next season, as I'll still have some decent scores in the pasture. I keep a hundred pasture full with anything else I've kept showing in the barns until a cull opens up a spot in the pasture. Not sure if that answered the question, but I'm willing to help in any way just send me a PM.
  • Ao, trying some bootstrapping for giggles, and I noticed something:
    From a 12.8G boosted sup sire and 12.4 *Gold mare. I got twins, that was a fun first xD
    https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=10716327
    So he got a 13.2PT but tested worse than sire. Zapped him to a her & she was aga dam and aga of a few of my well bred lined stock (just a few randoms, both sup and aga fillies).

    What would you interpret from this data?
  • Are you doing even breeding with most of your line? It sounds like your mares breeding quality is lagging behind your studs.
  • Even breedimg, yes. The same lines producing the intact studs are not producing mare quality...
  • The breeding cap quality I believe sits around what would be roughly equivalent to a 14PT. The 15+PT horses would have a double boosted parent, so boosted above the cap. So basically it sounds like you've hit that cap

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  • @Kintara
    Soo I'd have to start boosting my horses to try and get past & stay past that barrier..?
  • You certainly don't have to boost if you don't want. :)
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  • @Ammit
    Im going to try bootstrapping and also thoroughly combing my mares. I've been trying to breed just ome 14PT horse as a personal goal, and I can get *this* close. Boosting will be a last resort
  • Rebooting this thread for further questions: how to tell if a mare is breeding "worse, aga, or better"
    I checked my High PT herd and *most of my mares have an AFPT of 13.1 - 13.6, with the average around 13.3pt. Most of these mares, save a few, are producing around 0.10 and 0.30 pt better foals.

    So, question: when culling, if this was your herd, who would you cull and why?
  • am new ; but in my mind ; if she isn't throwing better than she is ; that's a strong reason to cull if that's all you are breeding for
    Anni9

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  • When I’m culling mares, I cull the ones with lower AFPT
  • @paradox
    How many foals do you let the mare drop before you cull, three or four ?
  • If you need to cull for the room I'd say the ones that are producing below .30 better. If you don't need the room I'd let them age out and then pick the best of the fillies to breed back to the stud.
  • @bravo25 based on the questions I asked, my understanding is it works something like this;

    1. Foal failed 'Strict Breeding Advice' AND/OR has a lower PT score (worse)
    2. Foal passed 'Strict Breeding Advice' AND PT is same as parents
    3. Foal Passed 'Strict Breeding Advice' and papered higher + has higher PT (better)

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