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- BigBosAcres February 2015
- Helia February 2015
- Jemimapuddleduck February 2015
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Public breeding for mares
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Is there a reason why I can set some of my mares up for public brood, but others I can't, even if they're the same age?
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Between the age of 4-20, the ones you cannot probably have already had a foal this year.Post edited by Visions at 2015-02-24 10:23:06
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Oh! Of course... lol, thank you. I'm still trying to figure this game out. :)
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When a mare that is up for public brood says "Not for ET" - what does that mean?
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It means no Embryo Transfer. This would be a fertilized egg from another mare. This would give a foal count to the mare, but it wouldn't be hers so if they are trying to paper (which needs three foals for a mare) it would not count as her offspring.
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Oh, okay... I understand. So what is the point of embryo transfer, as opposed to just letting the mare have the foal?
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If you have a special mare, you can collect eggs from them and do ET, so they can have many more foals. Or, you can paper a mare in one season (she has to have 3 foals to be able to be papered), as opposed to 3 seasons. ET is very expensive and can be very costly BTW.
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It is also very addicting! I use it mostly for mares I don't own, and are not for sale or brood, but would like to breed to.Post edited by BigBosAcres at 2015-02-24 12:43:29
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I usually keep some foundation mares that paper yellow unspayed so they will be available for embryo transfer, though it's not a tool I use often. I give them a zz prefix to their names so that they come up at the top of the host mare drop down box, which is in reverse alphabetical order.
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ET is ridiculously expensive when you don't make a whole lot each week -- 3k to pull an egg, 2k to create an embryo with that egg, and another 4k to implant the embryo. When you can breed mares in pasture for 500 hb each, that's a huge investment for a mare that isn't very special. I limit myself to pulling eggs from horses that have a tattoo marking a special color (which limits me to 15 eggs a season). At 9k per horse bred this way, I could spend 135k in a season on ET alone just by using one egg from each of them (and that's assuming I remember to do it before I throw all my random creates in a pasture -- otherwise there are breeding fees of at least 500 on any mare up for public brood, or create fees for a new horse to use). Then if the foal is a stallion he has to be papered (1500 hb), and if it's from certain lines I color test (2000 hb), and if you end up with a geld/spay after that you have a very costly show pony.
However, as I have a few special mares that are getting up there in years I may pull a few eggs from each of them this season and next, so that I have them in reserve for a few years to come. :)Post edited by Helia at 2015-02-24 22:20:17
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Wow, that's a lot of info! I'm nowhere near ready to do all of that yet, I don't really have any good horses. I'm just now figuring out that I need to get rid of ones who don't have symmetrical lines, only breed when they're the same generation, etc... lol. Maybe I'll get there some day!! :) Do you guys have any other tips as far as knowing what horses to keep, breed, etc? I run them through all of the testing and do the auto spay/geld. I don't always do the consistency test, though... is that one really important?
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You only want to keep and breed horses that are either as good as or better than the horses you already have. If they're not up to quality for breeding, it's perfectly fine to geld/spay and keep them as show horses -- they're the real money makers of your stable :)
Make sure you're using ALL free testing (which you already did now that I'm rereading your post) - GA (gelding advice), MA or SMA (mare advice or strict mare advice), and SAT (showing aptitude test).
If you're upgraded, stallion papering is a huge help in making those decisions and well worth the cost. So is comparison testing, but that's way more expensive (4k or 8k per pair of horses, depending on your upgrade level). Any horse that papers worse than his sire is altered in my stable, and quite often any horse that papers the same as his sire also gets the snip once I have a superior son since I'm looking to improve my lines. None of my horses are consistency tested, since you can still get a great breeding or showing horse out of inconsistent parents.
Pasture breeding is a HUGE help in getting quality foals. Your mares get a small bonus for each day they're in the pasture, up to 30 days. The downside is that they can't show while they're there, but they give you better foals.
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Just to clarify the pasture "boost" for mares. As Ammit informed me in another thread, what being in a pasture does for the mare is trim down the lower limit of her natural breeding range. It does not raise the higher end of that breeding range.
In actual practice I have found that foals bred in the pasture from mares that have been there at least 30 days always pass SAT, gelding advice and strict mare advice. The geldings do not always paper better than their sires and some that do still comparison test about as good as their sires, so I would estimate that the same ratio would hold true for the fillies and their dams, though it takes longer to find that out.Thanked by 1Helia -
Is a pasture something you have to buy with real money?
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Your stables should have a small amount of pasture space if you are on the entry level free account. You get bigger ones with upgrades or by purchasing them
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I found it. Thanks!