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B should be bred to Red ; were the mares in pasture for at least 15 days? am also wondering if he is a Low grade B ; have you checked him against another B?

and unless I am completely mistaken ; Liver like Brindle is Extremely difficult to breed for

@annismyrph all you need for liver is 3 darkening genes (Sty and DP) + chestnut base.
The FAQs have a good graphic figure to demonstrate!
https://imgur.com/Uu4Owfm

Well you're breeding a C stud to red papered mares. Red mares are a step higher in terms of breeding ability than a C papered stud. It goes like this for studs: C - B - A - *Star and for mares Yellow - Red - Blue - *Gold. So as your stud has a lower breeding ability than the mares, it is much harder to get a foal that is somewhat around the breeding ability of the dam (and thus good enough to pass Breeding Advice to stay intact).

Imagine this: the C stud has a breeding ability of about 100%. Let's say the range of breeding 'points' he can give his offspring is something from 95 - 105. A red mare has a breeding ability of about 105%, so her range could be 100 - 110 (this is just as an example, the numbers are completely hidden and only Almighty Ammit knows exactly how the breeding system works and what the numbers are behind it!).
If he 'gives' his offspring a score of 100 and the mare of 105, that combines into 102. That is below mom so therefore it will not pass. The odds of getting an intact are much lower as their breeding abilities are so much apart. For a foal to pass Breeding Advice it needs to be about as good as both parents (see https://www.huntandjump.com/faq.php#34). So while this example foal is still better than sire in terms of breeding score, it is not about as good as dam and therefore gets spayed.

What I experienced myself is that breeding yellow pasture mares to B papered studs gets more intact offspring, as they have a pasture bonus and thus a 'maximum' score. A stud however cannot get a pasture bonus so cannot 'improve' it's score. Still, you should get more luck with putting your boy in the pasture.

Another thing you could do with a younger c papred stud is giving a 1% breeding boost (can be bought with RL money or via IVs). That way he improves his breeding ability a bit and thus is closer to the ability of your red papered mares. Unfortunately this guy you've bred with is too old, a breeding boost can only be given to an unbred horse of 4 years or younger.

Oh and after all it is mostly luck: some season you are more lucky than others. Heck, even some days are better than others! It is a gamble or a roll with 2 dices so the only thing you can do is try to get that pasture bonus on your mares and thus increase your odds for getting better offspring.

I have a B papered Liver foundation stud if you would like him (: he’s ten but he’s still GMTable

SongofSleipnir9926696

It's not impossible to get intact foals out of C x Red crosses. Just more difficult.

I love getting colts from C X Red crosses, they have better odds of testing superior to their sires.

If you leave those mares in the pasture the full 30 days, you should absolutely be able to get intact foals. You probably just had a run of bad luck! Happens to everyone.

Personally I prefer breeding C or Yellow horses to Bs or Reds, because even if you get fewer foals passing breeding advice, the ones that shouldn't paper C or Yellow themselves. Since papering costs 1000, and BA is free, it saves a bit of money.

Also, you will occasionally get Blue/A foals from pasture breedings like this! Always a nice surprise.

Hang in there! It always takes a while to get a line going the way you want.