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- Abbey98 February 2015
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How Long Until Fully Lined
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I am wondering how long everyone strictly breeds evenly before moving to Fully Lined with a bit of leniency. I am unsure if this should be a generation level or a paper level. I want to make the best lines I can to make great show horses when they get a few more generations. Thanks for any help!
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I believe until the pedigree is filled up. An example would be like this gelding I own. http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=1840256
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So it 3 gen?
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Im not sure to be 100% honest with you.
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Previously, most players mainly checked to see that the visible pedigree (three generations before the horse in question) were even and made less of a fuss about what had gone before. This decision was made because at that time each of the great-grandparents' pedigrees had to be searched individually.
However, Ammit finally was able to make the "one document" pedigree available (which in the case of very long lined horses is still unwieldy). Then in an effort to trim down the archive records we had a massive purge of long-lined horses so that hopefully some of the "ancient" in game terms ancestors would have no "living" descendents and could be removed from the memory. She gave us a very generous incentive to encourage us to do this, and players cooperated very well in divesting themselves of horses that were descended from the earliest horses in the game (which at the time was about 9 years old, a long time to be collecting records of pixel ponies).
After that, players became excited about starting their own fresh lines and began keeping track of generations beyond the first four. There are still some long lined horses about that have considerable inconsistencies in their back pedigrees, but many of the veteran players and, I suspect, some of the newer ones, are concentrating on keeping even pedigrees as long as they are developing their lines. So the answer to the question is--some people are looking for horses that are even unto the 5th and 6th and greater generation, others are less fussy and don't look too far beyond the visible pedigree. It all depends.
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Thanks SandyCreek, I'm just looking for what a good way to keep quality is. I currently only breed until the 5th. I just wanted to see if I should make it longer. I mostly only breed for showers after that point and keep very few intact. I am also just starting my own lines (anything beyond my 3rd gens I bought) so I want to make sure I can get them to the quality of the mares/stallions I had purchased.
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When working toward increasing quality, the best strategy is to neuter all colts that paper and/or comparison test worse than or the same as (about as good as) their sires, only keep those that are superior to sires. Paper your mares as quickly as possible, so that you know as soon as you can which ones are better than their dams. If they paper the same as or less than, spay them. Then neuter the daughters of those less than optimal mares as well, since they will be behind the daughters that paper better than their dams. It isn't the length of the pedigree alone that increases offspring quality, it's the breeding quality of the stallion and the mare.
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I have a hard time with the mares since they take a while and I don't always have the money for ET. I went through and did a hard cull of my whole barn, and am planning on another to catch any that slipped through. Thanks for the advice, even though I've been here a while I'm still learning.
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I'm not good at culling, frankly, and barn space is usually so short that there's no way I could breed all my mares regularly anyway. Lamentably few of my mares, especially in the higher generations, are papered. One good thing that has come out of the pastures for me is that those mares do get papered. Now I need to take the papered mares out and put in some that need it. *G*
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I look at 4th generation as fully lined. Generally for my older horses and Era 0 horses I don't pay as close attention to the generation (I have some pretty old lineages in there!). I try to keep at least 1 generation difference at the most for my newer Era horses and my own lines, however I do look at quality of the mare and stallion when breeding.
If I have a Blue 2nd Generation mare, I have no issues breeding her to a nice third generation Stallion of 'same' quality if the potential foal color/lines are what I'm looking for and if I intend to keep the foal myself. A lot of people won't buy uneven lines though so if you're looking to sell your foals take that into consideration. -
Some people don't bother with even pedigrees after 4th gen, but plenty still do. Not sure I've seen anything past 7th gen so maybe some people give up about that point and have new lines coming up. I'm interested to see if I can get my even pedigrees up on the same quality of my old LB lines, of many generations!
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Stallions I have at stud I don't mind 5th gen and up being bred to longer lined uneven mares. 4th gen and under I like being bred to others of the same generation
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I have some that breed show horses that I don't mind being all willy nilly. But everything else I try to keep even. I have horses up to 8th generation. Although I only have two mares of that generation currently.ID 195859