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Arrenath · Jul 4, 2020 5:33 PM

It has never made sense to me. I want this account (on another server as well) to excel in show horses but have no idea where to start.

darkpixe · Jul 4, 2020 7:09 PM

One option is to look through the Foundation Rescue horses - it's owner ID 13. Sort by "points this year," and if you look at some of the older ones (8+), you'll find that some are leveled off already, and are showing well, like this one:

FR9999495
Since she's leveled off, she ought to keep placing roughly where she's placing now, and she earned 54 points this week (which means she should earn about 200 this month!) The leveled off ones are pretty sure things, in that you know how well they'll show. The FR horses are 2500 (or 2750? but I think that's on Forest), so they are an affordable way to get some guaranteed continued earning!

For more long-term potential, but less certainty, getting (or keeping your own!) high PT spelds is great. Higher PT, they have a better chance of ending up in higher level shows (which award more points), but if they level off in a "local" level, they'll get fewer points than if they'd leveled off in a "national" or "world" level of a lower number.

Stone Silo Farm · Jul 4, 2020 9:38 PM

Once upon a time, years ago now in game history, showing horses was a bit of an art, and required a little bit of strategy.

Nowadays the secret to having a successful show string is... really, honestly, truly, just to have a bunch of show horses. It's a bit like a garden: you have to grow it up over time, but it rapidly begins to pay for itself, and quantity more than makes up for quality.

Your account makes money every day based on the total combined number of show points the horses in your barns have earned. Each time a horse shows, it earns points based on how well it did in the class, and how advanced the class was. They don't really make much from the shows themselves, but those shows also don't cost much to enter, so much so that you can easily have horses to technically lose money in the show ring by coming in dead last in every class, but who have earned so many lifetime points that they are extremely profitable anyway.

This is all information you can see by looking at a horse's individual show records.

For instance, https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=7638097 is the horse I have that, currently, has the most earned lifetime points. Right now, she earns me about 430 hbs every day. If you click on her records tab, and scroll down to her show results, you can see that she's come in 1st or 2nd in almost every class she's been in for a long time.

In fact, she came in first in her last class... and this horse, https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=7912428, came in last. I also own that horse, and she comes in last in pretty much every class... but she still earns me about 165 hbs every single day anyway. It costs me a whopping 70 hbs to enter her in a show, and she only shows twice a week, so she still earns about a hundred HBs even when she loses.

Those are pretty old horses, though. I've had them for 19 and 18 game years, and they've had a long time to show and collect points. ... But that's pretty much the strategy. You get horses, you show horses. You can breed them yourself, you can buy them from the FR, you can buy horses other people are selling. I just checked the sales board, and there are a bunch of yearlings with fairly high PT scores for sale right now that are only 2500 hbs. You can usually buy "better" show horses for cheap when they're younger, but you have to wait for them to grow up and train up before they start racking up points. You can buy older horses that have had some training, but those are a bit of a gamble: most people aren't going to sell their good show horses. Many will sell one or two to new players, but that's hardly going to give you an instant show string.

Does any of that help, or is it just more confusing?

SherwoodStables · Jul 4, 2020 11:32 PM

@darkpixe I think the Foundation Rescue horses are 2750 if they only went to FR this calendar month, horses from months before are only 2500. Been a while since I used FR horses, though.

Stone Silo Farm is right- quantity is pretty much the way to go. But you will want to maximize the profit per stall (since barns cost IVs or real money). So quality matters some, but don't worry too much about it.

Short-term: Foundation horses that were created with points are your go-to for quick payouts. The FR has these, so does the auction.

Long-term: High PT horses (which have to be lined) make more because they show at higher levels. A horse around 12.5 or higher is (probably) going to level off at 8W (Grand Prix World), which is your big money-maker. So if you can acquire or breed young horses with high PTs, they will eventually make tons of hbs and end up with even more points than the foundations that started with 400.

Personally, I keep my higher-PT foals, buy ones with higher PTs than I can currently breed, and buy foundations with points already.

I'll let someone else talk about bootstrap herds now, I gotta go to bed! (:|

bravo25 · Jul 5, 2020 5:09 AM

High Five Acres also has a good post too :)

https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/27151/attn-new-players-want-to-know-how-to-make-money-to-support-your-hj-habit#Item_31

Another tip - once a horse turns 10 years old, they can be sent to auction for their total lifetime payout. Basically, if one of your show horses hits a patch where they no longer show well and their poibts arent earning too much, or you need a quick cash infusion, auction thag horse at 10YO.

This guy is my example:
https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=9503758

With her points, she earns me 41hbs daily, and shes showing bottom of her class. PT score translate to the age they level off/no longer benefit from training - she leveled off at the lower end. For me, its not practical to keep a horse who earns 41/day when *most* of my show herd earns 200 - 300/day (i breed/raise high PT spelds that compete in 8W).
Also, another thing - lifetime value immediately starts to depreciate or decrease once a horse turns 10YO. Thats because the payout calculates how much that horse would earn at the current points they hold until 18YO. So for this horse, she has depreciated 123hbs since I put her in auctions Thursday night.

One last note - I hope this is all making sense!
Any horse under 9yo starts a bid at 2500 by the HAJ bidder. Anything above 10YO starts the auction at their lifetime payout. Keep in mind, if its a high point holder and in a good spot, that could be a 15/20k auction bid!

Herzeloyde · Jul 5, 2020 7:56 AM

For long term investment, you should also consider buying foals with high PT from the auction house. In 7-9 months they will pay you back big time! For the next week, the auctions will be filled with foals with PT of 13+ from big barns who need to sort their foals to make space

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Arrenath · Jul 5, 2020 10:46 AM

Thank you very much for all the help. A few questions:
I have a ton of stallions (mostly) that passed SBA but I never use for breeding because they aren't my top stallions. They all have PT scores between 10-11.8. Would it be more profitable to geld them since I never use them for breeding?

Would breeding the Foundation Rescue mares to high PT score stallions be a good idea? I've done two batches (about 20 mares total) and gotten 7ish foals with a PT score higher than 12. I am auctioning the foals with less than a PT score of 12 to get some of my money back to buy more mares.

After breeding the Foundation Rescue mare once should I spay them or keep them intact to breed again next season?

Thank you all again!

Stone Silo Farm · Jul 5, 2020 12:23 PM

There's some minor advantage to gelding/spaying stock you don't intend to breed, but the higher their PT scores the less it seems to matter, and the later in their lives you do it the less impact it has. If you aren't going to breed them, gelding them is never the wrong answer.

What you're describing in breeding FR mares to high-lined stallions is what they call bootstrapping. I don't know much about it... I would strongly recommend not getting rid of the foals, though. You don't really need more mares, you need more show horses.

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