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HarmonyC · Nov 4, 2020 10:46 PM

OK so their parents are NOT bred by me but at least 2nd Generation on will be bred by me!

Bright Future 2B

Walkin On My Soul 2B

The Perfect Gift 2Y

Ready For Snowflakes 2R

I See Your Mischief 2R

HarmonyC · Nov 4, 2020 10:53 PM

I am bummed that their Snowflakes don’t show but at least they are 2nd Generation Homozygous Snowflakes. I’m hoping that the fact that their Snowflakes don’t show will not have an affect on Future Generations. Does anyone know if it will or not? In other words will the Future Generations also not show their Snowflakes or is that just random?

HarmonyC · Nov 4, 2020 10:56 PM

I also completely forgot about these 2nd Generation Homozygous Snowflakes that I bred. The Stallions will be ready to breed next season. I’m so excited!

Troveris Effect 2B

Zamboni 2G

Oceanna 2G

Reaching4MyObsession 2G

TigerShark 2G

HarmonyC · Nov 4, 2020 11:29 PM

I’m really tempted to switch the colts to fillies but unfortunately I only have 1 GMT token left.

WitchwaterAcres · Nov 5, 2020 2:59 AM

So I'm not super familiar with snowflake and varnish, but I think it requires a copy of LP to show. You'll notice that your horses with LP are the ones who show their varnish. So the move would probably be to breed the ones that don't have LP to Appaloosas, and then the varnish should show up.

LakeOndowaFarm · Nov 5, 2020 3:59 AM

OscarWildin is correct. Snowflake (like PATN1) only shows on horses with LP.

cissycat · Nov 5, 2020 4:00 AM

Pretty horses!

HarmonyC · Nov 5, 2020 6:57 AM

Please forgive me for sounding Stupid but is LP the Appaloosa gene? So are you saying that I should breed the Plain looking ones to Appaloosas in general or I’m guessing that you mean I should breed them to the Snowflake Appaloosas that show the Snowflakes?

cissycat · Nov 5, 2020 7:10 AM

Every SNF that has the gene that shows SNF is because of the LP gene.

HarmonyC · Nov 5, 2020 7:20 AM

cissycat - I understand that but what I was wondering is it better to breed to just Appaloosas with the LP gene or to Snowflake Appaloosas with the LP gene?

HarmonyC · Nov 5, 2020 7:32 AM

I just have to post this one too! She’s exactly what I’ve been hoping for! Do they get any more Perfect then this?!?!

Appsolute Perfection

CrowsnestRidge · Nov 5, 2020 9:30 AM

Hard to argue with "Appsolute" perfection, great name for a very cool looking horse!

In answer to your question, there is nothing wrong with breeding your non-appaloosa hom snowflake horses to an appaloosa horse without snowflake, but then you will go back to having a generation that is only het snowflake and thus not visible. You'll have to wait until at least the next generation for the markings to show. If you breed them to a horse that is only het appaloosa as well, you risk them being het snowflake with no Lp gained either.

I'd recommend breeding your foals that are homogenous snowflake but without any Lp with horses that are homogenous appaloosa and are at least het snowflake. That way you for sure get at least het Lp with a 50% chance of homogenous snowflake too. Of course, breeding to horses that are both homogenous appaloosa and snowflake would give you the best chance of immediately getting foals with everything you want (guaranteed Lp/- and snow/snow).

If you're ever in doubt, give Punnett squares a try - plenty of simple guides to how they work around the web - they give you a clear visual representation of the gene possibilities, and if you really want to know the percentage chance of a certain combination you can calculate that too.

SandyCreekAcres · Nov 5, 2020 3:56 PM

If you're not familiar with Punnett Squares, here's a link to a sample of one I made and posted to demonstrate the chances of getting a lethal white foal from crossing two horses that both carry White 1. https://pbase.com/malewis/image/162880040

Since I was only predicting the results for one gene, I put the two copies of the sire's gene across the top and the two copies of the dam's gene down the left side, then brought the sire's copy down into the boxes below and added the dam's copies going across, clearly showing that there was one chance in 4 of getting a foal with two copies of White 1, and so not surviving to be born.

I must confess that I don't remember how to do more than one gene at a time. My last biology class was back before 1967 when I graduated from college with a major in Latin. :D Doing a search for information on Punnett Squares online will probably give you more information on that.

Nightphoenix · Nov 5, 2020 5:52 PM

Lp is an abbreviation for leopard complex, which is the variety of spotting patterns found in breeds such as the Appaloosa and the Knabstrupper.

annismyrph · Nov 5, 2020 6:13 PM

to carry on from @SandyCreekAcres started ; for each gene there are 2 alleles ; basically you write the sires genes across the top with each allele getting a space and the mares on the side
then fill in down and across so an EE AA crossed to an Ee Aa would give you the following : EE AA EeAA EeAA EeAa as you add additional genes you also add additonal boxes for each allele ad infinitum giving you all the possbiel combonations ; since you seem to be breeding just for snowflake and not for a particular color of snowflake BUT you do want it to show you would need
PATN1 / LP / and SN so 6 squares per breeding

HarmonyC · Nov 6, 2020 7:08 AM

I was able to add LP to 2 of them so I’m pretty happy now! :)

CrowsnestRidge · Nov 6, 2020 7:47 AM

Glad to hear it!

HarmonyC · Nov 6, 2020 5:17 PM

;;)

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