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In this Discussion
- Ammit November 2020
- ConfluenceStable November 2020
- DarkFrost November 2020
- Kintara November 2020
- Maribo November 2020
- Nightphoenix November 2020
- SandyCreekAcres November 2020
[Closed] Sad Spay
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I'm a little confused as to why this lady got spayed?
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She papered higher than her Dam and similar PT to the rest of the herd from the same sire (incase PT caused breeding vs showing issues)
and another :(
11855499Post edited by DarkFrost at 2020-11-06 16:46:11HJ1: 266615
Licenced for Watercolour, Chinchilla, Diamond Phantom Sparkle, Ice 2, Nacre -
Their sire is probably a higher A, while these are low blues.ID 195859
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I have a stallion that papered B (higher than both parents) but is only AGA.I’m autistic and I struggle with any kind of communication, so I apologize in advance if I say anything rude or offensive because there’s a 99% chance that I have no clue I did it. I appreciate your patience with me!
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ABOUT as good as. ;) You know he is a bottom level B from that test result since he is only about as good as a C stud.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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Poor ladies :(Post edited by DarkFrost at 2020-11-06 14:30:29HJ1: 266615
Licenced for Watercolour, Chinchilla, Diamond Phantom Sparkle, Ice 2, Nacre -
Yep! That was an example that just because a horse papers higher doesn’t necessarily mean they will pass SBA :)I’m autistic and I struggle with any kind of communication, so I apologize in advance if I say anything rude or offensive because there’s a 99% chance that I have no clue I did it. I appreciate your patience with me!
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@Nightphoenix, I know that but had never experienced it with these horses as I have others with AGA sire (A) and dam (Red) who papered Blue as well but were not spayed, I guess the foals must be low-Blue, but would have assumed they'd be at least AGA their dam. No bother I have quite a few superior, just hadn't seen this before.HJ1: 266615
Licenced for Watercolour, Chinchilla, Diamond Phantom Sparkle, Ice 2, Nacre -
There is considerable variation in the level of breeding ability any horse can contribute to a foal. I once had a C papered stallion in a pasture with Yellow papered mares who gave me 3 A papered colts over a couple of seasons, but that doesn't happen often.
A long time ago, someone once did a test with perfect foundations and found that the offspring of a perfect foundation mare and a perfect foundation stallion* could have PT scores ranged from 8.9 to 10.4. That's just showing ability, of course, but showing ability is divided into finer gradations than paper levels, and those exact scores are completely hidden from us, which makes predicting possible papering results much harder.
*Perfect foundations have breeding ability at the top end of the C/Yellow level, 9.9 PT scores, and perfect consistency (same score both times they are shown in a week). -
@Nightphoenix a horse that is better than both its parents will always pass SBA.
These horses failed because they are both worse than their sire. It's both parents, not just the same gender parent.Post edited by Ammit at 2020-11-06 18:13:36Need to contact me? Read this first.
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Just means this sire is better than I thought he was, as I had lots of other Blues out of him and AGA red mares, but these two failed - so they must have just been worse than the sire (low Blue). :DHJ1: 266615
Licenced for Watercolour, Chinchilla, Diamond Phantom Sparkle, Ice 2, Nacre -
Yup! You got it. :DNeed to contact me? Read this first.
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Got it, sorry for the misinformation!I’m autistic and I struggle with any kind of communication, so I apologize in advance if I say anything rude or offensive because there’s a 99% chance that I have no clue I did it. I appreciate your patience with me!
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@Ammit Sorry to be a pain, just one follow-up question on this. :))
If the sire of the two spayed girls is high-A (as in too high for them to pass being Blue papered), how could a B-papered stud test AGA to him (2G Celestial Sentinel)? Or is the difference between AGA comp testing and SBA testing using a wider margin?
B-Papered, AGA to 2G Celestial Sentinel
Sup to boosted (+1%) B-papered Sire, AGA to high-A papered 2nd Gen stud.
If it adds more information, here is a stud from the other foundation stud (test AGA to each other), this foal is also B-Papered and Sup to Sire, but tested worse than 2G Celestial Sentinel... but tested AGA to the boy above (ID 11842495).
B-Papered, Not AGA to 2G Celestial Sentinel
My mares aren't the issue here either as 2G Celestial Sentinel was my benchmark mare that I GMT'ed to a stud - so all of my unaltered horses 'should' test AGA to this horse.Post edited by DarkFrost at 2020-11-07 13:45:29HJ1: 266615
Licenced for Watercolour, Chinchilla, Diamond Phantom Sparkle, Ice 2, Nacre -
The sire of the two original foals is a very low A not a high A. The B papered stud being about as good as prooves he is at the total bottom of the A scale.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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That first watercolor filly is GORGEOUS!
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Do you have any reds or B's by him that passed testing? I'd assume not. The AGA is up to 4 points difference I think for memory, so your stallion might be a couple of points higher than the very lowest A, so the very lowest blue/A's might not pass. Consistency is another thing that affected pass rate for a time, not sure if it still does, or if so what sort of a sliding scale it is