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Understanding Axiom
  • Hey folks, I'm having to learn about some new genes for the gift exchange and was hoping for some advice.

    For axiom, does it matter what the horse's other genes are? I know wrong warp interacts with the horse's normal colour and pattern, but what about the other ones? For instance, does it matter if you have a palomino appaloosa vs. a dark bay if the horse also has, say nexus or axiom red?

    The searches I've done seem to suggest that both those horses would look essentially the same with the axiom on top. Is that true? Do any of the white markings matter? Do the pigment-influencing genes like Sty matter?

    Thanks!
    ID #265959 | He/him | Breeding Black Satin, Liver, and Grullo Arcturus Horses | Licenses: Mushroom, DFP2, Onyx, Axiom Blue and Green
  • Yes base color and markings can majorly chance the final look particularly with nexus.
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  • you will need two axiom genes for the colour too show doesnt matter what colour axiom as the combine to form colours the only ones that dont combine together it nexus and the axiom r,g,b the horse will still have the genes but it will just show as stars on the coat axiom and nexus both require two of the same gene either two axiom any colour or two nexus to show the genes full effect both will also combine with wrong warp one axiom and one wrong warp or one nexus one wrong warp to achieve the effect. hope that makes sense easiest way is to search the gene and have a look
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  • Thanks! Yeah, I noticed some cool purple (blue and red) and green (yellow and blue) combinations in the search. It's good to know that nexus works a little differently. I can see what Ammit mentioned about nexus horses also really being influenced by the horse's base colour.

    I suppose the thing I am still a little confused about is how the underlying genes affect a homogenous axiom horse that has the red, green or blue. All of the horses I've searched so far don't really seem lighter or darker depending on sty or no sty or impacted by other genes like bay, cream, dun, etc. I also tried with the Kit white genes and Splash. They just seem dark black with the corresponding axiom colour on top. Even with silver, it seems like some have the light grey mane and tail but others still have a black mane and tail.

    So taking this horse as an example, it would normally be a flaxen chestnut with a bunch of white markings, but it looks black underneath all the blue stars and the mane and tail are black. Am I just missing something?

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    ID #265959 | He/him | Breeding Black Satin, Liver, and Grullo Arcturus Horses | Licenses: Mushroom, DFP2, Onyx, Axiom Blue and Green
  • Both of these horses I searched

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    Are black based R/R is there a specific interaction that causes the difference or is it just chance?
    Licensed for:
    All Axiom
    Ice: 9, 13, 15-19
    RR: wt, PBC, PBW, Nac
    PHAN: dmsp, lace, sku, hrt, shm, jelly, pmk, bird,crit sun star.
    Other: everything but SPM and jewel
  • I don't breed enough Axiom to know for sure. There is a random variance with the galaxy stars to me.

    Homozygous Axiom overpowers a lot of the coat variations but you can still see the Splash markings and coat dapples on the teal horse previously posted when you zoom in.

    My blue and green Axiom still shows her chimera brindle markings and the Painted gene still colors her mane and tail.

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    Most of mine are ee or red based and still show a lot of Axiom color.

    I feel like homozygous Nexus shows way more of the coat color. This ones Plaid and Onyx show through and there is more galaxy stars where the body would be light colored.

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    But remember Nexus and Axiom don't interact like in this mare. Her faint stars are there but no overwhelming change like the others.

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  • I've found Axiom can be slightly unpredictable personally. Here is my girl. I expected axiom to completely cover everything. She is hom splash 1, hom axiom blue, het ice 9, het tobino, het appy, het patn1. Also toner/ink spot, het watercolor and hom onyx


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    Post edited by amgr1992 at 2021-05-04 11:45:11
  • Whoa that's weird. The variability is why I'm interested in breeding axioms and riots when I get the licences.
    Licensed for:
    All Axiom
    Ice: 9, 13, 15-19
    RR: wt, PBC, PBW, Nac
    PHAN: dmsp, lace, sku, hrt, shm, jelly, pmk, bird,crit sun star.
    Other: everything but SPM and jewel

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