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I went down from 408k daily to 382k. I was stuck at being set back to 350k for a while so progress is progress I guess! I have under 7000 horses so I’m working on refining my goals and cutting back.

I also wonder if we are thinking wrong about PT and income, that higher PT = higher income;
I am noticing a trend in my barns where it seems that the horses around 10.4-10.9 earn more during their lifetime than the PT 11-gang. I think it is because the 10.4 horses tend to level out at 7W, and the 11s level out in the lower L8 classes.

It would be interesting if someone want to investigate it further

For sure! I've been trying to keep 9.9-10.7 horses instead of 11+. They level out at like 8L or 8R and end up earning less.

If you're keeping a bootstrap herd, though, that means you have to wait longer for it to produce show horses. :(

Yeah this rollover kicked me from 245k to 212k... Lost 182 show horses. I think it's actually gone down steadily since like August. :-<

Guess this season I'm focusing on show ponies...

I’m sorry to hear you lost so much, I’m sitting pretty at 10k/day show bonus. :)

If anyone with a show bonus under 50k would like free straws from one of my high PT show studs, just shoot me a message and I'll gladly help you out. :x

I had just reached 250k before the rollover, now at 229k. My goal is to reach 250k again and eventually reach 275k, then 300k. That way I can start investing into IVs for some tack packs I've always wanted but never could afford.

(By the way, if anyone wants some show ponies to boost their herd numbers, PM me! I have too many to keep up with showing lol)

I should have a few star stallions as well this season with PT scores over 12. PM me if anyone wants one.

The higher vs lower PT assessment is interesting! I have a stallion on Mesa who leveled off at 6w and I'm pretty sure he's my best earner for now and actually has a couple of awards. His PT score is only 9.9 but I don't have any super high PT ponies on Mesa to compare him to!


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Also gives more incentive to bring in more and more foundation stock to breed and get 2nd generation. This thread makes me feel better about having high standards for my 4th+ gens as they aren't the real money makers!

Higher PT = Higher income hasn’t been true for most of my time playing.

Back in the dinosaur days where a horses training score was important to placing well and earning money I looked through hundreds of class show results and tracked thousands of horse training trends.

High PT horses may level out in a higher spot but they will hop, skip and jump straight through the lower levels. Which is ok if they started out at the top of the class they may manage to hold onto that spot through their journey but I tend to see them land near the bottom not quite in the spot to earn lots of points and the next week they level up into the bottom of the next level. They make up for it once they find their footing in the higher classes and will earn more points per show.

Meanwhile the lower PT horses don’t learn as much per training session so will often have 2 or 3 weeks longer to better their score and collect points while working up the lower levels. When they level off they can be steady Eddie earners if they end up midrange and take the rest of their life to level up.

High pt = possibly longer to collect point but will have the chance at collecting more per show later in life

Low pt = steadily collect points along the way. Not likely to have a big surge later in life.

Wait

Wait wait wait

This whole time I've been operating under the premise that:
Higher papers (breeding score) -> foals with higher PT -> those foals will make more money -> higher daily bonus

But if foals with higher PT don't make more money than foals with lower PT, is there any tangible benefit to breeding for higher scores? Or are we all breeding for superior foals and all that just to breed for superior foals?
Which is a totally reasonable thing to use as a goal post if that's what you want to do, but is there an actual payout to that? Or is it just the process of setting and reaching goals? I'd like to know what goals I'm actually setting, if this doesn't work the way I thought it did :))

Your doing better than me :3, I’m only at 38k daily showing. But new lines are fun, I just bought one of my 3g gold mares sires. I’m excited to see where husband offspring will take me.

Bandit's logic is exactly why I try to have a blend of show ponies - some bootstrappers because hey, someone's got to come in first place at 8W, and foundations & low level lined horses because you can't afford those rocket fueled horses if you don't have bread and butter.

Then why am I breeding even gens and SBA and comp testing and papering? Why am I not focusing on one super high PT/bootstrap line and otherwise breeding whatever I want and not bothering with any testing at all?
I'm having an existential crisis guys, send help and chocolate

@Paradoxphoenix I also found my foundies flunk, but my 2nd generation foals at 10.4-10.7 have my highest earnings.

@HorseAngel I suggest searching all of your show horses over 10 years by profit, and auction off the bottom X amount. Personally I cull anything that is not consistent off the bat, then occasionally I do the above search and junk those that are performing the worst.

I'm doing a little experiment here. Keep in mind for the last RL year I was auctioning all foals under 10.5

Searching by profit geld/spayed mares age 10 the top chunk of the search are PTs 9.8-10.6, then it jumps to the 12s/13s

https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&agee=11&f_basic=profit&stallion=0&mare=0&owner=7205&128=0&129=0">
Searching by profit geld/spayed mares age 11 the top earners are a handful of 12/13s then down to 10s, lower end earners are 11s

Age 12 search has highest PTs consistently 12s for the first page, then down to 10s

Age 13 search shows very much that 12/13s are top, lower end are 10s

Age 14 search has the top handful at 10PT then 12s

All ages after this the top earners are 12/13 PTs, so I went backwards.... 9 year olds reflect the 10 year olds, but 8 year olds the top earners are overwhelmingly PT 10s, this is the same for age 7 but for age 6 it's overwhelmingly 12 PTs at the top. 5 year olds are in the middle with 11 PTs being on top!

In conclusion, I believe the ages come into affect here as far as PTs affecting profit, as we know horses do level off, and the higher level they are when they level the more they're going to earn. So the older the horse with the higher PT is going to have more money coming in than a lower PT horse of the same age.

Higher PTs do level up faster though as was mentioned earlier in this thread, so lower PTs do stay in lower levels longer, but they stay in the money earning bracket longer in those levels. High PT horses are going to fly up the levels and find themselves overleveled pretty quickly, and earn less while their training catches up with their level/ability.

All level of horses have their place and will earn variable amounts of money at different stages of their life. The best course of action I can think of at this point is if you have a horse over 10 with a 10 PT that is leveled off, they may be best off being auctioned for that high payout. Higher PT horses may innately earn more money while they are leveled off at higher levels and could be worth keeping around longer rather than auctioning.

Wow this is a super enlightening thread and definitely makes me reconsider which foals I auction off. I would love to keep all of my foals but as a newer player with less barn space I do have some guidelines for my show ponies. My original guidelines were to auction off all altered inconsistent or PTs under 10.8, but after reading this I may try to keep even more of my youngsters and focus more on auctioning off the levelled off horses.

I will still continue to breed evenly and for high PTs to try and gather more of the higher 12/13 PTs

Doesn't hurt to try something new. Thanks ya'll :-bd

@Horseangel honestly I would send those 17+ year old show horses to the auction while they are still worth something and use that money to buy younger horses with points.

I would use the search to look for under 9 year olds in the auction sorted by total points and put as many 2,600 hbs bids on as many horses as you can starting at the top of the list working down. Don’t get into a bidding war, only put bids on horses that only have the auction bidder bids.

These are super interesting findings! I really like that there is value to having the early generation horses with PTs in the 10s along with there being value in breeding the higher quality 12 and 13 PT horses. Definitely going to try to keep more of my 2nd gen horses to show from now on while they are younger.

@Bandit1119, That would be great, thank you! I will have to do (and send a PM) that when I get time and after I cull a few of my own show ponies! :)

Wow, thank you both! I will certainly be putting it all to good use! ;)


And if I remember right the foundation rescue ID is 13?

Oh my gosh! Thank you kindly @MasterStablesMS, it certainly gets me closer to getting a new show barn! :x