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Cutting back on horses advice
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I've been struggling ever since HJ1 went to a 1 month breeding season. I enjoyed the two month breeding season because it gave me time to do what I needed in game and what I needed to do in real life. Now it's rush rush rush and so much time is wasted in game that I could have spent doing other things because of the shortened breeding season.
So I've finally decided that I need to cut back on my breeding stock. I'm just not what's the best way to do it. It's the better alternate to simply stopping playing the game due to the time pressure.
For me, it's not a question of quality. Every horse used for breeding has already been tested superior to their respective parents.
I'm thinking of cutting back to maybe 3rd generation. Or if it would be better to just cut back to foundation level, or 2nd generation.
For those of you that have cut back, what were your experiences and the methods used?
The reason why I'm having so much issues with time management here is because I'm a Guildmaster on SWTOR, plus I play other games, and I have to take care of my mother's long term partner because he had a stroke last year and needs help with daily living. Mom died last summer, and while I have no legal obligations to take care of him because I'm not related to him in any form (they never got married), it's the least I can do for him considering that he took care of my mom until her death. I'm also trying to find the time to write my fanfic story, so I simply don't have hours and hours to spend here.
He doesn't know sign language so I'm having a hard time trying to set things up for him to make my life easier. We used to write to each other on paper but since his stroke, his writing has gotten hard to decipher. He's a veteran and trying to get the VA to help him has been a pain in the ass because they keep telling me that _he_ has to call them. He can't drive, and he doesn't have a phone atm. So I'm trying to advocate for him and it's going nowhere.
Anyway sorry about the train derailing there lol. -
I just don't breed every season :P Which also gives me less horses in the long run. I had like 16K stalls that were filled to the brim when we had 2 month seasons. Now I have 10680 stalls, and never get close to filling them all (unless we have high probability of candy ponies, and then all those free stalls are priceless to create and auction).ID 195859
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What about consistency? Cull all inconsistent breeding horses.
I also occ sort pasture mares by AFPT and get rid of the couple low stragglers - this only applies to my older mares. I also periodically cull ones that are getting old so I can make room for younger new lines.
Also cull breeding horses that didn't get the genes you wanted for the crossing. If my het KP mare didn't pass her KP to the daughter, daughter gets culled to show.
Each breeding season as I go thru foals, I cull their parents If I'm not happy with what they produce. -
I feel like breeding is kind of like dieting instead of small bowls it's small pastures. I keep mostly 10acre pasture for each generation. What doesn't fit, goes to auction. I do have a few 30 acre pastures for 2nd gens but only foundations and 2nd gens go into those 30acre pastures.
It cuts down on the amount of horses you try to keep each season. -
Yeah, I could cull by consistency... and bone type.
Plus it feels like my higher generations are kinda stuck in a rut because the higher generations have lines that predate comp testing for mares (the mares papered higher). So if I cut back to my current 3rd gen or so, that'll clear up the issue. -
I keep raising the PT score requirement to live in my barns. I'm up to 11 (If an altered foal has under an 11 PT I'm sending them to auction.) Plus I only allow myself 3 or fewer breeding mares per generation in the barns, and only 10 horse pastures, one for each generation (except Foundations)
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It's true that I could cut back to 1 pasture per generation, but that would lead to some really hard decisions on which studs to keep because I have certain sire lines going with different genetics.
My ID is 97414, so maybe people could look and make some suggestions?Post edited by Forestshadow at 2021-02-01 20:08:48 -
I rotate through my breeding projects ... I do panic a little when my really GMT'd stock starts aging up, especially ones I've paid real money for ... so to lessen that ... its all game money now or no GMT's.
Now rotation ... I have 6 stable lines. Appy up to 6th gen, KIT up to 6th gen, both those lines in separate satin, fantasy line, and restricted line (have to buy the license) I have 8 pastures the main 100 pasture and 7 30 pastures (bought when the pasture sale was on when we switched) Those smaller pastures keep my numbers down. Auto show is on every barn so even those standing waiting are still making some money. (makes me feel better that they are still doing something heh )
Break down is as follows
Main pasture is Foundation, My chimera and whichever foundies are in there and GMT foundations (my foundations are broken down to spot and no spots ... same with chimera spots and no spots. I have a lot of barns, it has taken some serious work to organize but I know where everyone is)
Rest of the pastures are broke down by gens, and this is just one of the rotation.
Starting with main pasture all the Chimera No Spot and No Spot foundations; then all the KIT mares went into the pasture at the middle of last month ... so they have the 30+day bonus .. 2nd gen into 2nd gen and so on. Double check how old... if its their last season they will be bred and then off to the show barns ... so they aren't taking barn space.
The last three pastures are Project barns ... I rotate the smaller lines through there.
Everything is bred and put back, and the next group is put in and then its done ready for another season.
Everything needs to fit line requirements
1. Pass all testing
2. Sup to Sire and Dam
3. Needs to have line requirement (appy = PATN, Snowflake, Halo KIT=No Lp) the rest is just gravy (DFP1,Sun,Snow, Tiger Eye
4 And if I still have to many ... colour ... Bay is one I cut out
I keep all neutered ... they go into the show barn immediately (my show string is mostly from my breeding. I do one pasture at a time starting usually on the fifth ( I can do it one day, but sometimes take a few days)
Breed, take out the foals, cull them ... leave auction ones in main barn ... move mares out, put next rotation in, next pasture ... and work through. Remember my pastures are only 30, so numbers are small. I don't think this would work with really big pastures; but it might.
I don't do a lot of AI, usually its a ... got some time, and a few mares standing around sort of thing. I have also found that I usually have a mare open that if someone posts that way cool stud ... I have someone I can trot on over there.
And I have found with this I am always replenishing my show herd as it ages out. If I get to many older stock then into the show barns I go and auction everything over a certain age (unless its really paying out).
Not sure if this helps, but it was how I coped with the switch and still enjoy the game.
Post edited by Corvus at 2021-02-02 11:29:01 -
Hmm it seems like I've got some thinking to do on how to make things more manageable.
I want to reduce the time I need to spend in here. So it means I need to reduce the breeding stock.
I might have made the mistake of letting myself get too big to handle (breeding wise).
The problem is that there's always all those cool new genes coming out, lol.
Hmm. Maybe if I cut back to 1 100 horse pasture per generation. That means I'll have empty pastures, but I can save those for future generations. Downside is cutting back means I'll have less show stock, but the upside is that I'll be able to keep a far more wide variety of PT scores than before instead of having to sell off the excess once the show barn was filled for the month.
However, it also will mean I will have to cut back to a breeding roster of 9 stallions per generation like I used to. Instead of 18 per generation since I had 2 pastures each generation. What I do with my stallions is that I rotate through them. I use 3 per pasture, then the next season I use the 2nd set of 3, then the third season I use the third set of 3 before I rotate back to the first set of 3, assuming that they hadn't been replaced by a younger half sibling.
So that's gonna be a hard choice to make on what sire lines I want to keep. I can rebuild other sire lines with straws when I have openings to do so.
Besides, all my breeding stock already has been tested superior to their sires/dams. I don't keep AGAs.
Post edited by Forestshadow at 2021-02-02 21:06:34 -
Ultimately it comes down to your own priorities & goals. If you want certain PTs by a certain generation, or this gene with that one, but not the other, etc.
One thing I'm currently doing is going through my breeding stock and identifying the horses I just love to look at. I note those genes & combinations, and what horses I need to breed to get them, and that helps me weed out older lines I don't love as much as newer ones.
If you have several different lines, you might cut your least favorite or the smallest?
If you don't already have this, making a list of your lines with the desired outcomes can really help clarify your long-term goals. (This game is the only place I'm this organized & goal-oriented, I swear.)
As for show horses, I think we're in the middle of establishing for good that higher PT is not necessarily better. Like 13.0+, that's always great, because they'll end up in 8W, and not at the very bottom of 8W either.
But like 10.9-12.6, is kinda questionable. They often end up in 8L or 8R, and those are not money making spots unless they level off in just the right spot and stay there. 12.7-12.9 sometimes seem to reach 8W, but only the very, very bottom.
Obviously if an adult horse has lots of points then that's all you need, but when deciding which youngsters to keep, that may help narrow them down. Last season I just ignored all my 3rd & 4th gens alters in favor of high PT foundations & 2nd gens.
Anyway, yeah, in the end, it's about what you want from the game and what you enjoy breeding most! -
Yeah it seems now to have a good steady income, you need to have a good variety of PT scores in show stock. In the past, I kept only 11 PT or higher, but the issue with that is it takes time for them to come into their own. Lower PT scores are more the bread and butter earners, and that's what I've been short on.
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It felt strangely liberating to geld/spay the entirety of my 6th and 5th gen horses. I didn't look at them. Just mass gelded them after renaming them to their original ID numbers. I probably will do the same for my 4th gen horses, but maybe keep the foals from last season or the past 2 seasons after looking at their pedigrees.
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Oh boy I'm struggling to cut my 3rd gen stallions down to 9. I just can't do it, I think the best I can do is 12. It would just mean one less breeding season for the boys since they'll be on a 4 year rotation instead of a 3 year rotation.
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Reduced my 4th gen boys to 12 and reduced 2 pastures worth of mares to 1 pasture. Working my way through 2nd gen now.Thanked by 1Corvus
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Whew, reduced 2 pastures worth of mares to just 1, and I've still got the 2nd gen boys to sort. 3yo and 2yo fillies have been sorted as well.
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congrats just moving right along :)
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Yeah, I know this is eating up way too much of my time right now, but in the long term, it'll save me time.
I'm still going through the 2nd gen boys and going through their foals at the same time. Weed out my 3rd gen pastures at the same time. I expect I'll still have to go through the pastures since I'll have other lines in there, but by the time I'm done checking current progeny records, the number of mares to check should be reduced. -
One 3rd gen pasture is cleared, the 3yo and 2yo fillies for 3g has been sorted, still haven't made final decisions on which 2g boys to keep yet. So I'm down to that and one final pasture to sort before I'm down to one 100 horse pasture for each generation. So I'm making progress.
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Whew, final pasture sorted, cleared and renamed. All pastures are now complete. I have 5 empty pastures waiting for their respective generations now. Just gotta sort those 2G boys then I'm done with the overhaul.
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Wow, that's some great progress! I had recently decided to remove certain genes from my lines and had to go through and resort Everything in my barns, pastures and freezer as well last month and I think you will feel that its quite an achievement, I know I did when I was finally done! #:-S :)
Ps. And I'm pretty sure that I Still have way too many stallions per generation lol! :))Post edited by HorseAngel at 2021-02-11 10:32:19Celestial Angels, The Balinor Breed! We Specialize In Riding Horses & Ponies!
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The more I cull, the more hb i get from shows. I haven't figured out how that works yet, but yours might work the same
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I'm not looking forward to cleaning my freezer out. Maybe if I do one horse per day, that'll be ok
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or hold on to it ... its not like you have to use them and maybe in the future they might come in handy
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Just take a day at a time, one foot in front of the other and you'll get there! :)Celestial Angels, The Balinor Breed! We Specialize In Riding Horses & Ponies!
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Well I do have eggs/straws from horses that no longer fit my current criteria, so they would have to go. Besides, it doesn't feel right to me to give egg/straws away in the first place if they don't even fit my current criteria and wouldn't be used in my lines. You get what I mean?
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Ok, I've winnowed the 2nd gen boys down. Done with the breeding stock overhaul.
I'll worry about the freezer later, I need to take a break from all that culling.
I'm down to 373 mares of breeding age in pasture and about 50 stallions.Post edited by Forestshadow at 2021-02-12 21:18:45 -
Sounds like you did a Great job! Taking a break is a good idea as well! :-bdCelestial Angels, The Balinor Breed! We Specialize In Riding Horses & Ponies!
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It was so nice and refreshing to be done with all of my pasture breeding, sorted the foals and so on before the 20th. I might still do some embryos, but not today. Was so nice not to have to rush things at the last minute.