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I have decided to rotate my pasture mares!
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So as im advancing in the game and really starting my lines of what i want to breed. I am finding how crucial it is to pair your mares to the right stallion. I had a bad habit of throwing mares into the pasture with a favorite stallion not concidering what there genetics looked like and then get dissappinted when the foal is only heterozyogous for a gene i wanted.
I have also taken into note that some mares crossed with specific stallions produce better quality foals. I havent quite figured out why yet. Both stallions could be exceptional producers with same papering and one could produce lower quality than the other. Maybe era and one is supirior to the other? But there would be mares that produce better with the opposite stallion. Anyways :-)) would anyone have some helpful advice on what they do to sort there mares and pair them to a stallion? Thanks for reading everyone. :) -
Era has no bearing on breeding ability. The main thing when planning breedings is to make sure you have paired C to Yellow, B to Red, A to Blue and Star to Gold. Then check the genetics to see what you hope for in the offspring. Pay particular attention to any genes that might be lethal, you don't want to risk dead foals. Other than that, maybe experiment to see what you get. Have fun!
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Random question.
So with gene pairing would one way be more likely to get homozygous for a gene. For instance this mare
Silly tuck o lilly
She is homozygous for ice 1 . Both her sire and dam were heterozyogous and carried the gene on the left strand. Because both were on left strand im at least garunteed heterozyogous for ice with some homozygous? Or would it be better to take a mare that has the gene on the left strand and a sire that has a gene on the right strand? Would i be more likely to get a foal without inheriting anything? Like the ice would be a 25% chance for either no inheritance, homozygous, heterozyogous left strand, heterozyogous right strand? Sorry im just brain storming on the best options. I dont breed the ice lines much anymore but thought it would be a good example horse.Post edited by Brandybrookes at 2021-02-09 05:37:15 -
The strand on the left is simply what came from the sire, and the strand on the right is from the dam. Imagine that for a gene a whole load of playing cards have been made with a copy of that gene (Ice 1 for example). You have two piles of cards, one for the left gene strand and one for the right gene strand. You then toss a coin - heads you take a card from the left hand pile to give to the foal, tails you take a card from the right hand pile to give to the foal. Then you do exactly the same with another set of cards for a dam. Toss a coin and take a card from either the left or right pile of cards. Your foal now has two cards (or gene strands) one from the sire, which is placed on the left hand side, and one from the dam, which is placed on the right hand side.
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I use generation, paper and color in that order.
I use all testing on my breeding horses, BA, PT, Gene, Paper, and comparison testing. All foals have to pass BA, paper better than their parents, or at least test superior for them to be left intact. The only exception to this rule is my bootstrap line.
I took a look at your breeding stock and noticed only 1/3 of your horses had been papered. I know it can get expensive when doing large groups of horses, but it would help you on knowing who to pair with whom and increase your chances of getting intact offspring. So that is my first bit of advice. Paper test everything.
Next look through your horses and figure out what genes you like and prefer. Most of us have color requirements for our horses. If you were to look through my breeding stock you’d be able to find three different lines, and probably figure out what my goals are for each line. Because I’m strict I have a style of horse I’m breeding for, and I’ve reached a point where I’m not worried about x baby not having the genes I want, the only question is whether they’ll meet my requirements for breeding stock. Now you don’t have to play super organized like some of us, but if you aren’t liking how certain babies are missing genes it would help. -
As previously stated, matching papers does help - you'll get more foals who pass breeding advice that way. However, I do very often breed my pastured mares (especially foundations) to a stallion who's one paper level higher. You still won't get quite as many who pass, but the pasture bonus helps. I also label my horses according to gen and paper level as a shortcut, so I know at a glance - and because I want to know at a glance and not fall victim to a moment of inattention, I label the mares like stallions (so a Red-papered foundation mare will have a "B" at the end of her name, while a Blue-papered 2nd gen mare will have "2A"). It's a reminder to myself what's best to breed them to.
I don't have particularly organized pastures, myself, simply because I don't have enough pastures to keep them as organized as I would like (one day!). Since I can't have a pasture for each boy right now, I decide which one I want to breed and put him in my little bonus 10-horse pasture, then pick mares for him 10 at a time and breed in batches. Admittedly, this takes a lot of time (and I only had about 350 breedable mares in my pastures this season - 70 of which are still waiting for their turn) and negates getting the pasture e-mail that tells you who your very best foal is; on the other hand, I do end up looking very closely at which mares fit which stallion best for what I want.
For instance, I have a black Ice 20 stallion, and happen to think Ice 20 looks best on black, grullo, or gray, so I only pick out mares in those colors for him, but have to avoid frame because he has frame and I don't want any dead foals. Or, when it comes to my liver stallions, I want them to have liver or chocolate palomino babies, so I assign them mares who could produce those colors when paired with them - and since one of those boys has frame, the other by default gets any of those mares with frame. I also try to save my chimera mares for my chimera stallions to up my chances, however slightly, for more chimeras.
In short, look at your stallions first, decide what you most like about them and want them to pass on and produce, and pair them with mares that will give you the best chance possible of getting what you want in a foal. -
I am not super organized when it comes to breeding. I run all my foals through SBA, color testing and paper them. I do organize my pastures by generation. Primary is foundation, 2nd gen has its own pasture, etc. I leave the mares in them year round.
For the foals that pass my first set of criteria after the testing is done - if they pass SBA, have the right genes, and appropriate papering I want for that generation - then I comp test them. I only keep the ones that test superior. AGAs get snipped and either auctioned or turned into show stock.
I don't require my breeding stock to be homozygous for most genes, but I do require them to be StySty, StyS+, or S+S+. I don't keep Stysty or stysty.
My foundation stallions are either C or B, and my foundation mares are either Yellow or Red. I just toss the boys slated to be used that season in pasture, breed and see what I get. Sure, I get rather plain foals because they miss a lot of their parents' genes, but I also have gotten foals with a lot of genes.
I have gotten As and blues from B/Yellow or C/Red crosses. It is possible. I do require my 3rd gens to be A and Blue, and 5th gens to be Star and Golds with all the horses in their pedigrees testing superior to their respective parents. -
I wish i could afford to test them against there parent or sibling. One day :)) . So far im attempting to have a few similar lines to later cross over. I currently have 3 foundation sires im in love with. My cheer for thee holiday who was my first project 1040pt B papered. He started most of my lines. His colt that i have in 2g pasture i boosted to be an A paper and is homozygous for some of the genes im looking for. Now my foundation stallion marry go round is my 5boost A papered 1040pt stallion thats close to comparison to cheer for thee holiday but with a couple tweaks. I boosted him mainly to get blue papered 2g mares. Im not worried about the colts from him unless something suprises me. My goal is to cross my 2g A papered christmas line with my blue papered marry go round line. I love frames but know i have to be cautious with lethal genes which is why i chose to keep most white genes from mary go round. Im slowly tweaking the foundation mares to match up with my goals. Now my newest stallion a flaming light i made the mistake of keeping the homozygous silver @-) the foals i still like and him being B papered i havent quite planned out what to do with his foals other than try to cross out the silver and keep the other genes going. When i get the funds try to test the mares and the higher level reds/blue i may try to cross with the other two lines and the lower reds cross with a lower papered stallion.
I will try to put them below so you guys have a better refrence. Im going to attempt to go through the papering with the 2g pastures and sort them better based on papering and genetics.
Thank you guys for all the input, its always best to get a veiw from a different perspective with experience. :) -
Even after my 2nd gen pasture culling I still have 17 blue papered mares out of B/Yellow or C/Red crosses. I haven't finished sorting which 2nd gen boys I'm gonna keep yet, but I expect several will be As.
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I think I figured out why you don’t have the funds to do testing. You have 200 show horses and over 1.5k breeding stock. Show horses are the money makers on the game. I have 2.5k show horses and 400 breeding horses. If you think about it every mare and stallion is an expence and every show horse makes money sometimes 20k or more. A mare will cost you roughly 80k for breeding and testing of the babies she gives you, during her lifetime if you use pastures to breed and don’t do comparison testing.
I did the math a couple years ago on a old account. Here’s the link. https://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/69963/my-breeding-budget-findings#Item_14