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- doragon February 2021
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My horse with W1 is not white?
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Hello readers!
I am still a very new player on H&J and I'm still learning the ropes of breeding, genetics, showing, training... phew!
One thing I thought I understood was the W genes! One W gene makes your horse White. Two is lethal.
So... why does my horse Whistle have a W1 gene but is not white? Can someone explain it to me?
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He's W1 is expressing, its the white markings on his belly and body! The white genes don't always turn a horse entirely white, it really depends on the amount of white load that they have (called there White Factor or WF) which can range from none, minimal, light, medium, large and extensive. Only some of the white genes are lethal when together, W20 is a good example that is not hom lethal and there are many different genes for white markings as well, including splash 1/2/3, appaloosa, Kit M, Sabino, Tobiano, Roan, W8 .........ect. Anyway, there are horses with white genes that show no white markings at all, even with a light WF, so his is showing up nicely!Post edited by HorseAngel at 2021-02-16 17:20:20Celestial Angels, The Balinor Breed! We Specialize In Riding Horses & Ponies!
HJ1 ID Number- 253402, Balinor Stables
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Thanks for the answer, HorseAngel!
Is there a guide that will tell me which W genes are homozygous lethal and which ones aren't? Or is it intended to be a matter of trial and error on the part of the breeder? -
There is a FAQ Guide and a Genetics Guide under the Resources tab in your side bar that would help a lot and yes it includes a lethal white cart as well! I can see if I can link it here for you in a minute. .............ok here we go!
Hopefully it works lol:
https://www.huntandjump.com/faq.php#870Post edited by HorseAngel at 2021-02-16 17:30:03Celestial Angels, The Balinor Breed! We Specialize In Riding Horses & Ponies!
HJ1 ID Number- 253402, Balinor Stables
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Here's the simplified chart for Kit combinations.
https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/16745/new-kit-lethality-and-kit-mutation-load-explained#Item_23
This is Ammit's original Kit combination chart that includes how the amount of White Factor increases the chance for a lethal cross. It can be a bit confusing, but send me a PM if you'd like a tutorial on understanding it.
https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/16695/lethal-kit-combinations-have-been-drasticly-updated#Item_6Thanked by 1doragon -
You should probably also be informed that it's not just Kit mutations that produce lethal results. The various splash genes can be dangerous as well.
Splash 1 never causes problems when homozygous or combined with Splash 2 or Splash 3. Depending on the amount of White Factor the sire and dam carry, it might push a moderately risky Kit mutation cross to lethality, however. (I think.)
Splash 2 and Splash 3 are both homozygous lethal and and are also lethal with each other. They may also cause problems when combined with Kit mutations when high white factor is also involved.
The frame gene, Olw (Overo Lethal White), is always homozygous lethal because it causes a foal to be born with an incomplete digestive tract. It can also push high white factor Kit mutations into lethality.
ETA: I hope that's not too much information. :DPost edited by SandyCreekAcres at 2021-02-16 17:42:22Thanked by 1doragon -
Wow thanks for all the replies and information! It'll take me a bit to get through everything but you've all been a big help. :)