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I'd add here, it's possible your other stallions are much lower than they 'should be'.

How do you cull your horses currently?

I do B/Red and some B/Yellow crosses at Foundation (if dam has great genes) and I cull anything that doesn't paper A/Blue, which sometimes makes me very sad. Where I can I put 1% boost on my stallions.

I do however have some older mares who I didn't cull in my earlier seasons who were Red but AGA my old benchmark Blue mares.

For 3rd gen I look for A/Blue but Superior to parent.

For 4th gen I look for A/Blue but Superior to parent, but am seeing some *Star and *Golds coming through.

For 5th gen I will cull anything that doesn't paper *Star or *Gold, although depending on when I go back and finally quality check 3rd and 4th gen, may also need to mass superior test as well.

To me, boosted lines are in their own category and entirely different from normal foundation lines. Boosted lines jump several generations in quality compared to foundation lines, so it's like comparing apples to oranges. They'll never be the same. That being said, I do require my breeding stock to test superior to their parents every generation.

If each generation is only just superior to the last, it can make a huge difference if you put in double superiors. So it's likely not so much that your horses are that bad in quality, but that you've jumped quite a few more than one generation. I mean if you start with B paper, and superior to that is a high B, superior to that is a low A etc, it's going to be 5th or 6th gen until you see a star. Where as you have what seems to be a mid Gold at gen3. Even if your horses were a bit better than the lowest possible superiors, and you have A paper for gen2, Star by gen4 etc, that's still a couple of generations behind a mid gold at gen3. So it depends on how good you want them to be? What's the goal? Reach the cap in the least generations possible?

@Kintara I'm still confused by how the papering % really works, I am pretty sure it's 5 between each level but haven't been able to guestimate a numerical value for my foals. Do you know who it was who said they had a spreadsheet they used to figure out a rough breeding value for their horses?

My original benchmark was 2nd gens to paper up A/Blue (regardless of if the foundation mares are Red or Yellow), using those benchmarks I had a lot of Red/B foals testing AGA to my benchmark.

Eventually, I found benchmarks that were Superior to those Red/B foals and I snipped them all, but since I don't know how high those A/Blue's really were it's really hard to tell how the 3rd gens dropped and how to cull those effectively.

Take this horse for example.


3G Celestial Moon B

Out of a 2nd Gen A stud, used as my benchmark for his generation (3rd) and tested superior to some of my other 3rd gen colts, who tested superior to their own A-papered sires, and he's dropped 4th gen *Stars of his own, all who are Superior to him, without my usual 1% breeding boost. I'm hoping with my excessive cull of 2nd gens that I might see one or two *Star colts coming through at 3rd gen, but not sure if I managed to get close enough in the previous generations to get there with no boosts. #-o

Either way, it's a super fun way to spend time sifting through foal hordes.

I may be wrong about the boosting since I cannot actually find it anywhere on the forums.

Yellow/C (Perfect) Foundation - 99% breeding ability
Red/B (Boosted) Foundation - 101% breeding ability
Red/B (ExPro) Foundation. 104% breeding ability

I don't think we have numbers for the rest of the papers though.

Feel free to send something over, I'll run some testing and send back :D

Not sure if this will help

https://m.facebook.com/groups/huntandjump/permalink/6076030412437852/

You're welcome. Ammit put in all the work on that.! :D I just remembered where it was.