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First, welcome! This is pretty complex game and no one minds answering questions, believe me; I sure had plenty when I started playing.

Show horses are your money-makers, without them your barn won't be able to support itself.

All horses in the game are created/bred with 0 points to start, UNLESS the player has fewer than 20,000 points total. Then any horses that player creates will have points, usually between 90-900.

These horses are precious! I recommend keeping any with 300+ points and auctioning/selling off lower pointed ones, unless you're going to breed them. People will typically buy pointed creates for 50-100% of their current lifetime payout, and tend to prefer yearlings or 2-year-olds as show prospects.

"Foundation" horses (the ones you create, not breed) can have a PT anywhere from 0 to 9.9 (or 10.4- see below). The higher the PT, the longer the horse will train. The longer they train, the higher their show scores. Higher show scores = more points in the long run.

Every foundation horse has not just a PT score, but a hidden breeding ability. You can figure out this quality somewhat through breeding advice, breeding inspection (if you have a basic upgrade), and comparison testing. Higher breeding ability = higher PT and breeding ability foals.

For foundations, you have 3 basic categories-
1- Regular creates. Any horse created without a herd helper, or whose herd helper doesn't specify quality. Any PT, any breeding ability.
2- Some quality guarantee, but not "Exceptional." These are some Rank Specials, Perfect Foundations, Top Notch Producers, and Great Show Horses. Which HH determines whether it's PT or breeding ability that's affected, or both.
3- "Exceptional" horses. A level above any other kind of create. They have over 100% showing ability and/or 10.0-10.4 PT. These are (all the other) Rank Specials, Exceptionally Perfect, Exceptional Producers, and Exceptional Show Horses.

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Culls from your breeding program, at this point in your game, are absolutely best kept as show horses. Horses with PT scores in the high 9s up to around 10.8 are actually awesome show horses. Other than very high PTs (like over 13), these are the best show horses because of where they usually stop training. They "level off" around level 7N or 7W, which is the next best place to 8N or 8W. Click on "My Show Entries" on the menu to see the levels.

Have fun, and ask all the questions you want!

Also, @annismyrph you should keep those 2nd gens! See my post about PT vs Points here:
https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/51641/graph-of-pt-vs-points

Thanks for the info! This has cleared a lot of, and also produced some more questions!

So will an exceptional producer out-produce itself? If you bred two foundation exceptional producer 10.4 PT horses together, would that theoretically create a better foal than breeding one of those same horses to a high level "regular" stud?

Great post, thanks for the link!

To expand on that: it sounds like at the time of the post, they didn't have the breeding inspection function. If I can draw a comparison to something I feel like I understand ok now: papers show breeding quality like PT shows showing quality?

If I have exceptional producer foundations, is it a given that they will be B/Red papered? That's how the FAQ makes it sound. Thus no point in spending the money to test them if I choose to breed them?

Yes! I feel like some of this is starting to come together! I would love to see that breeding ability chart if you're able to find it.

One more question for the moment: points only have to do with how much money you get in daily HB, right? They don't pass on to foals, and there's no other "value" to them?

@lecobb There’s two different “levels” of fantasy genes, kind of like “open” and “closed”. So there’s the “open” genes that you can buy and breed without needing a license like Chocolate. My example is this girl:


FF Spirited Away

Chocolate is technically a fantasy gene but I do not have a license for it. I was still able to purchase her from LDORanch and can breed her freely with that gene being able to be passed to her offspring. I can also stand her colts publicly when they come of age and other people can breed to them without having that license either.

Then there’s “closed” genes that require licenses to buy and breed like any of the phantom, axiom, rainbow riot, and ice genes. Here’s my example:


FF In The Spotlight

He had Phantom Sparkles (DMSP). I had to purchase those genes with RL money in order to obtain the license for it so I can breed and buy horses with that specific gene. When you do not possess the license for a particular gene, I believe you can only purchase altered horses with those genes. (Someone please feel free to correct me if this is wrong). But once you have a license for (example) DMSP, you do not need to repurchase it. It’s a one and done deal. However!, you do need to purchase licenses for each specific gene you want. Even though I have the license for DMSP, if I wanted to breed for SKU, I would need to purchase the specific license for it.

If you look, notice the “open” gene (Chocolate) is orange and the “closed” gene (DMSP) is purple. That can help you differentiate between the two! :)

ETA: Also, to answer your points question, yes! They only count toward your daily payout and things like End of Year awards. They do not pass down to offspring.

@Treble ; its not for "free" breeding costs 500HB per mare in pasture ; its Cheaper than hand breeding ; since you can sell the foals for 2500 at auction ; you can make more.

When it comes to mass creating, breeding, and auctioning horses for profit, something I always do that I haven't seen mentioned is always gene test the stallions to make sure they're not carrying frame. That way you won't end up with any lethal foals by accident.