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Appy Genetics Questions
  • I love appies, and I've been breeding them in the game for years, but I still have a few questions about their genetics.

    Is appy spot size controlled by hidden genetics? I know there's an appy spot size regulator gene in the game, but apart from that, can I select for larger spots in my appies and have it breed true? I really like the big spots on this girl, and I noticed most of my Morel babies come out with big spots, so I wondered if it was heritable:

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    Only a couple have smaller spots like this. Is that something I can consistently breed away from?

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    What genes, hidden or testable, cause an appy to varnish? Is Evergreen Boughs the only foundation that won't varnish, or just the only one guaranteed not to varnish? Is there a chance a regular create could happen to not carry for varnish? I've noticed that spots don't varnish, or maybe they just don't varnish as fast. Is there a way for the spots to always keep the color? It looks like most of the oldest appies in the game are completely white, but there are a handful like this one that have kept their spots and aren't Evergreen Boughs or descended from them:

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    Is PATN2 searchable by searching for horses that don't carry - blanket size and then scanning for het PATN1 horses? I noticed when looking for homozygous PATN1 horses in my barns that some of them are only het. Is the - they carry actually hidden PATN2? Here's a search, you can see a few of them aren't homozygous for PATN1:

    https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&jump=0&hpp=100&41=2&128=0&129=0&149=0&150=0&151=0&152=0&153=0&154=0

    I hope that's not too many questions in one post. Thanks so much in advance! :)
  • Check the GMT lab on some of your lined horses. A few months ago some extra options were added. There is an appaloosa spot size gene that you can test for in lined horses as well as a varnish gene. These can't be tested for on foundations.
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  • Also ALL R/L Appies do in fact varnish out ; some faster than others ; ei Snowflake appies will be almost all white by 10, where as others take until they are 16+ but they will all go white eventually. EvergreenBoughs are a bit of computer line code magic that Ammit did to prevent the varnishing. And as @pinkie said ; you can check your lined Appies in the GMT lab and see some of the "Hidden" Genes, there are a couple that give bigger spots as well as Ive seen most of my Dp carrying Appies have larger spots as well.
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  • Thanks for the tips! I'd forgotten about the extra appy regulating genes visible in the GMT lab. I'm getting an idea of what I should breed for from those, but I'm not exactly sure what each allele means. In my horses, I see varnish promoter is either Vrn or -. Does this mean horses with hom - won't varnish? And LP promoter seems to either be LPP1, LPP2, or -. LPP2 clearly seems to be causing the smaller spots, but I don't see much difference between LPP1 and -. Is there a big difference in phenotype between those? Or maybe combined with something else, there would be?
  • EvergreenBoughs varnish as well eventually. They just are rather slow about it.

    Spot size is a super complex combination of factors.
    Post edited by Ammit at 2022-04-18 05:40:16
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