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My question is - did all the horses in the pedigree pass SBA and tested superior to their parents? I see one mare on the distaff side that wasn't paper tested. At third gen I keep only As and Blues and they have to be superior to their parents to be used as breeding stock.

comparisons? what's that?

and I don't understand what Lynn means by full paper level improvement.

The grand sire (or is it great grand?) Little Boy Blue is my only blue foundation horse (blue color, not paper). He's yellow paper . This horse is the first foal that is blue and passed SBA. Would doing the 5% boost do any good? How much do they improve a horse and can it be done on stallions? It's either that or do the GMT on the grandsire. I've had a couple others, like this one's sire, blue-ish but in my eyes not nearly as pretty. How do I tell how many GMT's I have? I bought a few intending to put satin on a horse til I figured out it was gonna cost 5 million HB.

The genetics guide, I can't find where it discusses the axioms. I just know bb makes it blue, not what the others like the xx do. I tried to change his xx to bb but he doesn't have b's.

OK, when i breed my B / Red Foundations, i only keep the A/Blue intact on 2g. 3rd g if they test SUP to same sex parent and are A or blue , i ll keep them intact. If they paper red or B or yellow or C they are neutered. If they test "worse" than or As Good As they are neutered. What exactly are you trying to breed for ? the color only? or improvement of your breeding lines AND the color of the horse? the only way you can change his axioms to blue is if his parents are also blue, so you ll need to actually purchase horses or the genes from the RGS and put them on Foundations and start there. You can t make a 3rd generation chestnut horse into a black one without starting over from the beginning

Thank you everyone for helping me to understand. I've just been trying to improve my paper levels, I haven't tried breeding for colors yet, although there are a few (like the blues) I am trying to breed more so I can have a few to breed with. The comparison testing I haven't tried yet, I can see it's time to start. I have way too many unsnipped mares and stallions, I realized that last month when I tried to breed them all, and now I have not enough stalls left. 2nd in line after the gift exchange is more stables, I guess, for the show horses. My problem now is alter as many as I can so I do not have to comparison test them.

Will comparison testing them snip them if they fail?

Also, there's no need to comparison test until you get to 4th gen. It's expensive so I go purely by paper level when I can. From 1st gen to 3rd gen, you can rely on papering to see improvement, a full paper level improvement per generation. But it takes longer than a single generation to get from A/Blue to Star/Gold, so you have to comparison test your A/Blue 4Gs and keep the superior ones for breeding. Then you might see Star/Gold in your 5Gs. (That's if you're starting with C/Yellow foundations. You can get to Star/Gold a generation sooner if you use B/Red foundations.)

I comp test every generation and keep only the superiors. I've had 4th gen Stars and Golds from C/Yellow breeding stock. Rare, but does happen.

The reason why I comp test ALL breeding stock (except foundations because there's no point) is because I've had a number of 3rd gen Blues test AGA their 2nd gen Red dams which were tested superior to their foundation dams, and I've had a number of 2nd gen Reds test AGA their foundation Yellow dams. So papering level alone does not guarantee that a filly is better than her dam.

In the case of stallions, I've had Stars test AGA their A papered sires. Hence, I comp test everything except foundations.

I realize that comp testing everything 2nd gen and up is expensive, but it guarantees that you have the best possible breeding stock for every generation.

I geld/spay all foals that do not test superior to their parents. No matter how pretty.

So the foal in the very first post, do I breed to a yellow?


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@Annismyrph not everyone learns at the same rate as another. This game has a lot of components to take in and it's easy to forget things here and struggle in certain aspects.

I'm not planning to breed her. I just wanted to know why it happened so if something similar happens in the future, I'll know what I should do with the horse (snip)

And btw, the foal did pass SBA.