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DP and other terms I'm behind on.
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Hello! I've spent many seasons with my head in my own herds because I had more than enough to work on of my own, looking around would prove to be too expensive and I'd end up with more on my breeding plate then I could handle.
What are some of the new color and gene terms I'm seeing? DP is one, and im seeing little symbols above color genes that were not there seasons ago. I'm back in the market and starting new projects and never realized how much I missed! -
DP is what makes liver chestnuts and black chestnuts. If a chestnut has a darker shade than it should from it's sooty status, it probably has DP. It is not testable.
Another new gene is Nexus, wich gives stars in het. form, and if you want to see it in hom. form, just do a search with the word "error" where you would type a color.
Not sure what you mean about the little symbols though.ID 195859 -
DP stands for dense pheomelanin and is a concentration of the red pigment in hair cells that causes them to appear darker than normal. When homozygous (though we can't test for it) and in conjunction with homozygous sooty, it gives "black" chestnuts (and "black" palominos and buckskins). Heterozygous DP and homozygous sooty gives liver chestnuts. The gene test now includes "liver chestnut" as the result when appropriate, but the other effects of DP do not show up.
Here is a search on my horses that carry my DP tattoo. The ones that didn't test as liver chestnuts are suspected of carrying heterozygous DP either because a parent was homozygous for it or because their coloring is darker than the amount of Ssty they have would lead me to expect.
http://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&tattoo=sca+dp+carrier&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&sire=&dam=&barn=&owner=137592&breeder=&e1=1&e2=1&a1=1&a2=1&f1=1&f2=1&p1=1&p2=1&s1=1&s2=1&s3=1&c1=1&c2=1&c3=1&d1=1&d2=1&g1=1&g2=1&ch1=1&ch2=1&z1=1&z2=1&sa1=1&sa2=1&kit1=1&kit2=1&kit3=1&kit4=1&kit5=1&kit6=1&kit7=1&kit8=1&kit9=1&sp1=1&sp2=1&rb1=1&rb2=1&o1=1&o2=1&l1=1&l2=1&v1=1&v2=1&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&patn1=1&patn2=1&patn3=1&patn4=1&patn5=1&patn6=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1
Ammit has also updated the color test to reflect some of the most recent conclusions about bays and browns. Agouti now has four possible variations: A (dominant agouti that gives bays when combined with at least heterozygous black [E]), a (recessive agouti that does not affect black pigment), A+ (wild bay that lightens the black stockings, sometimes gives a dorsal stripe), and At (brown). In the order from most to least dominant they are: A+, A, At, and a.
Wild bay is dominant in all combinations. At only produces browns when combined with a. AtA color tests bay. AtAt produces a lighter brown brown horse than Ata.
Wild bay in various combinations:
http://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&tattoo=sca+wild+bay+carrier&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&sire=&dam=&barn=&owner=137592&breeder=&e1=1&e2=1&a1=1&a2=1&f1=1&f2=1&p1=1&p2=1&s1=1&s2=1&s3=1&c1=1&c2=1&c3=1&d1=1&d2=1&g1=1&g2=1&ch1=1&ch2=1&z1=1&z2=1&sa1=1&sa2=1&kit1=1&kit2=1&kit3=1&kit4=1&kit5=1&kit6=1&kit7=1&kit8=1&kit9=1&sp1=1&sp2=1&rb1=1&rb2=1&o1=1&o2=1&l1=1&l2=1&v1=1&v2=1&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&patn1=1&patn2=1&patn3=1&patn4=1&patn5=1&patn6=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1
At in various combinations:
http://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&tattoo=sca+brown+carrier&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&sire=&dam=&barn=&owner=137592&breeder=&e1=1&e2=1&a1=1&a2=1&f1=1&f2=1&p1=1&p2=1&s1=1&s2=1&s3=1&c1=1&c2=1&c3=1&d1=1&d2=1&g1=1&g2=1&ch1=1&ch2=1&z1=1&z2=1&sa1=1&sa2=1&kit1=1&kit2=1&kit3=1&kit4=1&kit5=1&kit6=1&kit7=1&kit8=1&kit9=1&sp1=1&sp2=1&rb1=1&rb2=1&o1=1&o2=1&l1=1&l2=1&v1=1&v2=1&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&patn1=1&patn2=1&patn3=1&patn4=1&patn5=1&patn6=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1 -
The other major upgrade is the addition of Splash 2 and Splash 3. Splash 2 is carried on the PAX3 gene, now added to our color test, and shows up in the gene test. PAX3+ indicates the recessive allele. The dominant allele is PAX3C70Y (the last four characters are superscript). Splash 3 is carried on the same gene as our original splash (MITF, to be scientific). It appears as Sp3 on the gene test, I believe.
Note that Splash 2 and Splash 3 are homozygous lethal and lethal in combination. Both can be safely combined with Splash 1.
Some Splash 2 horses:
http://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&tattoo=sca+sp2&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&sire=&dam=&barn=&owner=137592&breeder=&e1=1&e2=1&a1=1&a2=1&f1=1&f2=1&p1=1&p2=1&s1=1&s2=1&s3=1&c1=1&c2=1&c3=1&d1=1&d2=1&g1=1&g2=1&ch1=1&ch2=1&z1=1&z2=1&sa1=1&sa2=1&kit1=1&kit2=1&kit3=1&kit4=1&kit5=1&kit6=1&kit7=1&kit8=1&kit9=1&sp1=1&sp2=1&rb1=1&rb2=1&o1=1&o2=1&l1=1&l2=1&v1=1&v2=1&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&patn1=1&patn2=1&patn3=1&patn4=1&patn5=1&patn6=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1
For the 9th anniversary of the game, Ammit recently added dapples that appear sometimes on many of the colors and a fun fantasy gene Nexus that produces star shaped dapples when heterozygous and really funky blue and black horses when homozygous.
Some heterozygous Nexus horses:
http://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&tattoo=sca+nexus&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&sire=&dam=&barn=&owner=137592&breeder=&e1=1&e2=1&a1=1&a2=1&f1=1&f2=1&p1=1&p2=1&s1=1&s2=1&s3=1&c1=1&c2=1&c3=1&d1=1&d2=1&g1=1&g2=1&ch1=1&ch2=1&z1=1&z2=1&sa1=1&sa2=1&kit1=1&kit2=1&kit3=1&kit4=1&kit5=1&kit6=1&kit7=1&kit8=1&kit9=1&sp1=1&sp2=1&rb1=1&rb2=1&o1=1&o2=1&l1=1&l2=1&v1=1&v2=1&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&patn1=1&patn2=1&patn3=1&patn4=1&patn5=1&patn6=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1
Some homozygous Nexus horses:
http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3132164
http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3346013
http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3356317
Ammit's thread about Nexus:
http://www.huntandjump.com/forum.php#/discussion/5599