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How will Vrn and Snow interact?
  • I've been playing around more lately with breeding non-varnish appies. My new Ostera boy is hom recessive varnish, but obviously hom snow as well.

    I know the first varnishes very slowly, and snow varnishes very quickly. Will they theoretically just "cancel each other out" and have a average varnishing app? Since you can't search varnish, I can't really run search "experiments".
  • In hindsight, I realized I can have a tiny pool of examples by searching evergreen boughs horses that people have added snow to.

    This horse is 18:
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    Boughs 14733753


    And this one 11:
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    Savanah


    They seem to be keeping their spots a long time!
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  • oh interesting. The other tough part is once you breed the horse, you can't "look" at the rare genes they have.
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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    Fiddlers Candor
    this one has Vrn.
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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    Fiddlers Lemonade
    so does this one. I'll put it in their names so we can keep track as they age.
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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  • this one does not
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    Fiddlers Trombonic Zee
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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  • Yeah, for the last two months, I've been checking all my foals and writing it in their notes. I don't know if I'll continue, or just try to do it for the appys, but it's interesting so far.
  • Oh good idea, the notes!
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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  • :-? I'm not sure someone else's horse will show the Varnish unless the horse has been refreshed recently. I know my personal snow ponies don't, but I'm unsure how it works while viewing someone else's horse.
  • well, i just updated the notes on all the horses whose genes I can study (unbred) so in the future i will be better prepared to answer this question.
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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  • Ahh, I hadn't considered that bluchrystals. Good point.
  • What would the varnish genes be for the slow varnish horses? I like the ones that keep their colors longer
    Post edited by AminoFire at 2023-03-22 10:59:46
  • lecobb8 messaged me with this question, and after seeing this thread I figured I'd post here as well.

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    CF3 Running On Plaudit EV

    This boy was refreshed today, he doesn't have any Varnishing genes and is HOM for Snow.

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    CF6 Plaudits Funny Guy

    This guy is at least het for varnish and hom for snow. He could also be Hom for no varnish and i just didn't mark it in his name.

    @AminoFire to my knowledge it's the absence of the genes. So no Vrn genes.
  • ok, great! that helps to know.
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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  • I have a hom snowflake mare that was also hom for varnish and a few days ago I gmt'ed both varnishes off. It looks like the varnish both puts a "film" over the whole coat even on snowflake appies and it also adds more snowflake spots and makes them heavier. Here's the before and after, this is a 7 yo mare:

    Hom Varnish:
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    Het Varnish:
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    No Varnish:
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  • oh wow, that varnish is potent! thanks for that.
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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  • Can we get those examples in the Wiki at all? I'm not sure who edits it but that would be a useful piece of information not to lose :D
    HJ1: 266615
    Licenced for Watercolour, Chinchilla, Diamond Phantom Sparkle, Ice 2, Nacre
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  • @DarkFrost I can probably do that in a couple days. Anyone can edit the wiki, though some of us have been having some trouble getting images to upload to it. That's what brought my genetics page to a halt, but I'll try again with it next week when I have more time. :)
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  • Great info! I had no idea varnish would do anything "now", just whiten the coat later in life.

    Though now that I've typed that, I guess at 7 years old, she will have already started to varnish.

    This question was prompted when I noticed my old Ostara boy was getting pretty white by age 10 (I don't save any pictures for reference, but here he is now at 16). I didn't know anything about varnish at that time, so I was just sad to miss his pretty spots. Based on his foals, he's at least het Varnish, and LPP2.

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    1B Ostara Stallion
    Post edited by lecobb8 at 2023-03-31 04:34:11

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