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DarkFrost · Apr 2, 2023 4:20 PM

I could not find the original post where players shared how they cull their first gen horses based on papering, i.e. keeping only A-papered colts from ExPer/ExPro foundation stallions.

In that thread, I mentioned that I keep those AGA to A/Blue - rather than having the paper level as the criteria.

At the time I did not have a good example of superior testing but managed to get one right at the end of the breeding season.

Yes, doing it this way means you are keeping intact horses with a slightly lower breeding ability, but it gives you more selection if you have a low number passing SBA (or some other reason you want to keep more intact).

Just an example, I know lots of people do it differently but maybe this will help at least one person.

DF2 Maple Snow

AGA comparison tested against A-papered siblings, superior to sire.

DF2 Snow Chaos

A-papered stud used for comparison testing.

DF1 Snow Permission

Ex-Pro sire with 1% boost.

Fiddler · Apr 2, 2023 4:26 PM

So, the first horse has a boosted B dad and a expro mom? And it passed SBA? That seems amazing right there. I am not sure I am understanding, but I hope you will explain

DarkFrost · Apr 2, 2023 4:55 PM

@Fiddler This post was just to illustrate that you can get B-papered horses that are both superior to their sires and AGA to A-papers, it could be a good way for some to increase their intact horses without reducing breeding quality by more than a few points (whatever the limits of the comparison testing are, I seem to recall it was 3% but I cannot find that reference anywhere).

Both parents are Ex-Pro so they are ~105% breeding ability (confirmed by Ammit), but as the sire also has a 1% boost so he would be 106%. :D

Cavalynn · Apr 2, 2023 5:10 PM

I thought perfect foundation was 100% breeding ability and expro 105%?

SandyCreekAcres · Apr 2, 2023 5:32 PM

Ex Pro breeding ability ranges from 101% to 105%, based on my testing of the assortment of horses created from ex pro and ex perf daily herd helpers. Ex Perf might all be at the top of that range, but that's not confirmed by observation.

DarkFrost · Apr 3, 2023 2:49 AM

Oops yes that's my bad. I even went and double-checked in the Herd Helper list and still wrote it down wrong. :-SS

That is interesting @SandyCreekAcres, if they vary that much then I think you should be able to comparison test the ExPros as well as a 105% should be Sup to a 101% in the test notes.

Will have to test that!

Kintara · Apr 4, 2023 5:25 PM

Yes ExPerfects are 105%, but not sure about the ExPro's, I'll have to compare a few.
As for the gen2 breeding, yes absolutely a superior B paper can be AGA an A paper. I keep superior B's for gen2 in the lower Era's until I get a gen2 A paper

Wingedeagle · Apr 4, 2023 5:34 PM

I only breed pasture for the first couple generations so have too many intact foals usually. I use paper level to help narrow them down; only keeping A/Blue at second gen. Plus it saves money on comp testing, as an A stud will always be better than a B stud. Even if they comp “about as good as” which actually has up to a 3% swing either up or down I think. So I don’t comp 2nd gens, I do comp 3rd gens and only keep superior to parents, 4th gens are star/gold and not comp tested, 5th and 6th gens are tested and only superior foals remain intact. Still waiting for my first 6th gen foals to age up.

DarkFrost · Apr 5, 2023 4:56 AM

Absolutely @Kintara keeping those Superior B's help you keep the colours you want more than just keeping the A's that might require too much GMT'ing. Of course you can Max Ability to get them to A but again that's 5 GMT's.

@Wingedeagle You definitely don't need to do this if you have a lot of choice in your barns, this was purely for those that have a limited selection and did not know that you could get AGA (within approx. 3%) at the first generation of breeding so they can choose to keep both colour and reasonable quality rather than sacrificing one for the other. :x

Ammit · Apr 5, 2023 5:37 AM

Exceptional breeders are always 105%

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