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    It said that my foal died due to excessive white mutations, but how is that possible?
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
    ~ I was formerly ranchmom161 on the forums.
  • According to the chart : SB1 with W1 is a moderate risk of Lethal White. I think the "excessive" White on the mares lower strand, coupled with the "Light", may have also help trigger it.
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  • Normally, I would agree, but he has no white producing genes other than splash 1. Both of his Kit alleles are roan. That's why I am so confused as he is just a plain silver buckskin roan splash.
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
    ~ I was formerly ranchmom161 on the forums.
  • I mean, no W1 combo is “safe” so it’s a possibility it’s just that
  • In all the years I've played, I've never heard of W1 being fatal with roan. I'm telling you, my hamster has done left the building on this one. :))
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
    ~ I was formerly ranchmom161 on the forums.
  • It could be that the foal inherited both splash genes, an extensive white factor, and also possibly W20, which made the total white expression way too high to produce a viable foal. White factor does increase the lethality of crosses, and W20 boosts white expression. I think breeding W1 with splash also increases the risk of lethality. Similar to W1 with Sabino genes.
    Post edited by GoldenHeartAcres at 2023-10-05 06:06:59
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    Formerly AlAsseelStable
  • When the chart came out that shows potential lethal crosses, there was also one with numbers that showed the risks associated with white in horses. If the numbers combined went over 100 (I think that was the number) then the horse died. I remember Ammit said something like 'every white hair increases the risk'.
    HAJ 1 - WhiteValley #60847 HAJ 3 - minimum #175
    I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

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  • W1 doesn't have any "safe" combinations. https://www.huntandjump.com/faq.php#870

    It's important to remember that low risk is not equal to no risk. I also breed splashes and sabino (on HJ2) and I periodically lose one to white factor overload. Not often - maybe one every other season, or even less, which means I'm breeding hundreds of low risk foals.

    It never happening before reflects the low likelihood. It will probably be another long period before you lose another.
    "Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving." - PTerry Pratchett
    Breeder of big spot appaloosas with fantasy colors and Kit M.


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