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Also, if you just dislike the red-ish quality, breeding hom sooty & no DP on wild bay gets you a nice, dark, much-browner color.
For example:

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Here's a search of all not-fantasy E? A? +? horses that have two copies of Sty/S+ and zero copies of DP, so you can see what different other genes do to the color (like Z can turn it sorta orange).

I agree with Vella. Wild bay is my least favorite color too, but I've always thought that dark wild bay was unique and nice looking. If adding pearl is too expensive, you could go for dun. That lightens the coat and adds some nice leg marking and looks pretty nice on wild bays, even the redish ones. The dun can range in expression from lighter or darker, so some can be even lighter than this:


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Here's one with roan:


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Here's a wild bay dun with hom sooty and no DP (like Vella said) and dun:


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Here's another one with roan. White markings are another option to break up the base color:


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The Taco Town herd helper is a silver wild bay dun and the foundation rescue usually fills up with them pretty quick. It's one of my favorites so I almost always buy them. Here's a couple. The thing is, they also have frame, so just make sure any studs you use don't have it. But it does make for some beautiful and unique white markings.


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The Pomegranate and Cherry Drop herd helpers also are perfect foundation wild bay, but they are hom DP, no sooty, so they're going to be bright red. But if you don't mind GMTing your stallion and just breeding away from the bright color you don't like in the mares, as long as each generation is qualifying for the wild bay club you want to go for, it could be a way to go.

Wild bay is on my rework list but "the work starts coming and it don't stop coming" so I have zero idea when that will happen. I don't love how it looks either.

Here's one more idea I just thought to look into. Since the pangare update, hom pangare actually looks pretty unique on wild bays, which is nice because it doesn't get to show on the legs of regular bays at all. It gives the lack of black socks more of a purpose at least.


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Edit: It shows really good on these thick draft legs:


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One more question for you all: I tried searching the forum, but I can't recall what the new requirements for brown are.

I remember it's some combination of darkening genes (4?).

It looks like you can "get away with" hom E, hom A, hom Sty and het DP as long as you have agouti promoter.

What would be the best combo to ensure future generations don't become brown? EE, AA, +/+, Sty/Sty (+/- DP?) It seems like as long as you have +/+ they won't become brown. I'm sure I can't collect all +/+ mares, so would it be safest to stay away from DP to some extent?

Bay:
E/E A/A Sty/Sty
E/e A/A* Sty/Sty DP/-
E/e A/A Sty/Sty -/DP
E/E A/a Sty/Sty DP/DP
E/e A/A* Sty/Sty f/f DP/-
E/E A/A +/+ Sty/Sty DP/-

Brown:
E/E A/A Sty/Sty DP/DP
E/E A/A Sty/Sty DP/-

If you go to this thread here, Ammit explains exactly what'll make a horse "brown." Basically, if it has four "darkening conditions," it's brown instead of bay, but she also said "Agouti promoter reduces brown counters. Every copy of Agouti promoter acts as a-1 darkening condition."
So if you have zero DP, then E? A? +? StySty should consistently end up bay instead of brown. If you have some DP in there, you'd still be fine if you have mostly AA, I think...
Even EE (+1) StySty (+2) DPDP (+2) would still end up bay if you have either: AA (-1) & one AP+ (-1) or two AP+ (-2) .