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Why doesnt' the DMSP show?
  • OopsDotComOopsDotCom
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    I dont' know why he's all white, presumably it's why his DMSP doesn't show. I reduced the white factor from Extensive to Medium but it didn't change anything. Regenerating the image didn't change it.

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    G7 1STAR sup homDMSP 19226190

    Genetic Testing Results
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    Phenotype: Chestnut Chinchilla Splash

    Pigment Modifiers
    Black: E/e Bay(Agouti): A/a Sooty: Sty/Sty Flaxen: -/f Pangare: P/P Chinchilla: -/chn
    White Markings
    Kit Genes: W20/- Splash: -/SW1 Phantom: DMSP/DMSP


    Additional Info
    White Factor: Medium
    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2024-06-03 22:56:03
  • MackZMackZ
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    He's all white because of the homozygous Chinchilla on a Chestnut base. Also, DMSP needs a KIT gene to show.

    From the rgs alleles page:
    "Chinchilla completely removes pheomelanin (red pigment) and leaves behind eumelanin (black pigment). Chestnut-based horses will appear white with red eyes. Bay-based horses will be white with black points and possible sooty. Black-based horses will look mostly unchanged. Requires two copies to show."
    And
    "Phantom Diamond Sparkle will add sparkle patterns around the edges of any KIT, Splash, or Frame markings. It requires only one copy to show."

    If he had a copy of E you should be able to see the DMSP.
    Post edited by MackZ at 2024-06-03 12:35:24
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  • KintaraKintara
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    I don't think a horse needs a KIT gene to show DMSP?? Just white markings, but yes as you said, the above horse is chinchilla, not white

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  • OopsDotComOopsDotCom
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    I added an E and removed one Chn. That worked.
  • OopsDotComOopsDotCom
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    Thank you very much. I wish I'd asked this a few months ago, I've got a bunch of chn/chn DMSP/DMSP horses that I never could figure out why the DMSP didn't show.
  • AmmitAmmit
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    Phantom genes require pinto markings, chinchilla white is a form of albinoism so does not count for pinto markings needed for phantom. :)
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  • MariboMaribo
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    @OopsDotCom Chinchilla horses still show DMSP. The problem was that the horse was red based, and chinchilla removes the red color, making the horse all white. You did not have to remove the chinchilla gene.
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  • OopsDotComOopsDotCom
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    But the horse was still white before I took off the chn.
  • AmmitAmmit
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    Maribo is forgetting that bay chinchillas can still be white enough to hide phantom markings.
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  • MariboMaribo
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    Yes, of course, thank you for correcting me Ammit :)
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