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I tohught when I was asking about splitting the Roans up, Ammit had said at least 30k of each genotype had to be registered? Of Course I could be completely mis remembering it also ><

I have seen the post, I just don't have an answer that will be satisfactory. There is no hard set number and we have so so many clubs at this point that I am not too keen to really add any more.

Figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'm not interested in Era breeding because my primary line is already so far along. I got into the game because of color genetics and breeding, and the color boards are really the only way for me to see how well my line is doing (I guess). I don't know, I'm just trying to keep things interesting for me and something I want to continue working towards without having to create another project line.

Yeah I know there are members that have mentioned they don't even bother with registering in the clubs because of all the bootstrapping, boosting, and now maxing.

We have a Level and Grade value already attached to our horses, but I think that works with the show system?

What if we can apply that, or something similar to the clubs as well?

@Ammit, I started 4 or 5 years ago, thus my "era" Clubs are well beyond the limits for boosting and maxing, again pushing me out of contention for any rewards. As I said its not really worth even registering them into the clubs any more kowing there is no way I am going to get any benefits from it, its more of a why bother? then a gotta do this before the end of the month. I understand why you dont want to create more clubs, but i do think limiting and/ or restricting them more might be better. Plus I joined this game becuase of the genetics, not becuase of the "eras" also becuase there was no way to "win" or "lose" at this game, but I truly feel with all the maxing and the boosting it may have gone over board with the later aspect.

Yes, I understand that.. but my color genetics lines are now in their 10th and 11th generations. Why would I start over again? This is after all a Genetics game.

Color genetics is not a competitive concept. You can't "win" color genetics. You can play the game however you please but I can only give awards to things that are quantifiable. Awards go out for competitive and cooperative play. You can either make your current lines competitive or work on side projects that can be competitive.

Right now anyone with a large enough show herd can invest in boosting or buying boosted gametes from other players. It does not require real money and is available to all players. The players who are doing lots of boosting are doing so because they have spent the time to build profitable show herds and learned how to work the LB system. That is what the bulk of the leaderboards are designed to reward.

If you are not interested in boosting you can make a new line and compete with that in the era clubs. You do not have to "start your lines over", a new side project does not get rid of everything you already created.

If neither of those appeal we have a futurity system where you can work with other players to win GMTs.

I understand that you two don't like any of those options, but unfortunately, those are the options on offer. I don't understand what it is you are looking for out of the leaderboard system, but you are welcome to make suggestions and I am happy to listen.

Yes, there is no reason for me to enter my horses, which i have worked long and hard on for Genetics that I like to see, and my barn quite frankly IS big enough to max and boost, but I dont feel that as I am breeding for Color in a Genetics Game, I should have to do to be "competitive" in a Color Leaderboard. Thats IMHO, a cheat to the system, it requires no extra work or length of line to do so.

if it is that someone just doesnt have a high pt horse to compete, i have plenty that i am always willing to share with straws and eggs, and maybe one or two to sell. i also have some really good show ponies that i am willing to part with.

my barns are always open, i have several different gene lines also to choose from

@Ammit, double boosting and maxing is a cheat to the system to get the horses higher PT to top out the Leaderboards.. it doesnt take 4 or 5 years of work to do it, just enough IV's and GMT's... that's the "cheat"

I'm trying to find the words to communicate this without being taken as rude or confrontational. But I think we see color clubs as two different things.

I like to think of them like real life color/breed clubs. So I find it disappointing when we can have horses without Dun in a Dun Factor club. Or non-chestnut horses in Mushroom, ECT.

My post was about seeing if we could add some more realism or diversity into the clubs. But Anni brings up a good point, that has been brought up every time we talk about the clubs. And I can sympathize with her concerns, and the.concerns for players that might not want to speak up about it.

I wish there was some stupidly expensive experiment I could do again to show you the inequity in the color clubs, and how easy it is to take over given enough resources. To show you the possibility that this might benefit the game. So the only thing I can share with you is my personal drive to try and stay at the top of the Dun Factor charts.

You can see my show history, and so can everyone else. I've dominated that club for...I think it's been over a real life year? I don't remember my last numbers. To be fair I should give myself SOME credit for trying to breed the best horses I could, and having probably one of the longest running lines of these genes. They are my pride and joy when it comes to the game. And I have boosted the crap out of some of them to stay on top. And then when maxing came around, I did the same thing with that. And when I learned about the (now old) benefits to Cloning and boosting, I did that to stay on top as well. And now that we can have a 45 day pasture bonus on top of boosting and maxing, I'll use that to try and continue to stay on top. But it's just using these little gimmicks to stay on top. It's something I can afford to do, and would continue to be able to afford to do without any stress. And that just doesn't seem fair to others. It's not something I'm going to stop doing however, because it's the only way I know how to "show" (I guess for lack of words for my feelings here) that I'm doing a good job with my horse breeding. I've been trying to do better, comparing them to more than just their sire/dam. But there wasn't a lot of resources in this game to learn how to do all this when I started, and honestly there still isn't. To do it right, would require me to start all over again. And I just can't afford that, and I'm too stubborn to give up all the progress I feel I've made on my line.

annismyrph - I understand and empathize with your desire to have your lines and hard work acknowledged but I did not build a game where the primary factor that determines how well you can do is how long you have played. I like that newer members have a shot at winning. I think that is a desirable thing in a game.

I don't agree with you that players like CheshireFarms were cheating when they boosted. It's just that people invest in different things in the game. Those who invested in getting to the very top of the things the LB is tracking are the ones who are rewarded for it. You can choose how to play any way you want but I can't reward every possible way of playing. I am here and listening. Your herd has not been optimized to win the color/era leaderboards, so I can't reward them for being good in that way. Is there a way you would like to see accounts like yours rewarded?

I do get where annismyrph is coming from, as I'm in a similar boat where I'm mostly here to breed pretty horses. I also acknowledge that I make it harder on myself by only breeding even lines and avoiding inbreeding for the first 4 generations (if I had the space and GMTs I would avoid it entirely, but it's just not plausible past 4 gens for me). I have long since accepted that I'm not going to get much from LBs, and I know why things are quantified the way they are, that that's the only way to do it.

I understand, and I'm not complaining, but I also understand the "Why bother?" when it comes to entering clubs. I do it for the occasional little surprise when I do have a horse do well, but I do ask mtself that every month. The only club I consistently do okay in is Chimeric, and that's an incidental result from using maxing to save any of my chimeric foals who get gelded or spayed. You also can't clone chimeras, so for that one LB cloning isn't a factor.

But, again, I get why things are the way they are and I know that they're being looked at, so this isn't a complaint. Just an "I get it."

Aidendale - you can make chimeras out of clones in the GMT lab though so cloning is still a factor in that club. Regardless, I am glad you found a spot you do well in! I get you though, not everyone is going to be driven for the LB and that is, I think, totally normal and fair. Not everyone who loves playing basketball is going to try and be an NBA/WNBA player.

Like Aidendale, I understand the thoughts behind the "Why bother" feeling some have expressed. I enter all of my horses in as many clubs as possible every month, starting with the more difficult clubs to qualify for, yet I've only won a large number of GMTs once(I happened to have a lot of qualifying primary era horses at the time). Most months, I don't win very much. But my primary goal is to create horses I think are gorgeous. Awards, to me, are a nice little bonus to look for at the end of the season.
I think the 'enter all' option helps tip the scales toward entering horses in clubs, since it drastically shortens the time required to register horses.
Ammit, I understand and appreciate the time and effort you are constantly putting in to improve the game. I think that, above all else, is what keeps so many players here. Even if there are things we see that we might like changed, we know you're usually aware and working on the best solution available.