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- HollidayFarms November 2015
- SandyCreekAcres November 2015
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How exactly does training and showing work?
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I know how to do either, but I'm still not sure how the mechanics of it work. What factors decide if a horse wins? How does a horse move up levels? Does spaying or gelding increase the chances of winning? When manually entering a horse in a show,does it matter which show you choose? What do the numbers at the end of the show name mean? How do you know when a horse has reach its training limit or how far they will go in showing?
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1. The horse's show score determines it's placing in a class. Inconsistency will allow the score to vary either above or below its base score for the week, depending on how the random generator falls for a given show. Luck, meaning that random effect plus the other horses in the show, will affect how the horse does, especially in the very small classes.
2. Every horse is assigned a base score (usually somewhere between 0 and 10) when it is created or born. Once the horse is 2 years old, it starts gaining points (increasing the base score for the week) with training. The amount gained is based on the horse's PT. The higher the PT, the more is gained with each training session, generally speaking. Horses with a PT score in the 9's will gain about 3 points each week. A perfect foundation, for instance, which has a PT of 9.9, will always gain 3. A horse with a PT of 9.1 might gain 3 points for two weeks and then 2.? the third. A horse with a PT in the 10's might gain 3 points for two weeks and then 4 points the third. I once had some horses in the mid 11's that appeared to be gaining 5 points per week. As the horse adds points to its show score, it works its way up through the showing levels. After Level 1 and into Level 6, there is about a 10 point spread in every Level/Grade, so your horses will continue to work their way up through the Levels until they level off, meaning that the amount they gain in a training session decreases to just a small fraction of a point. Beyond Level 6, the point spread for a Level/Grade increases. Most horses level off when the reach the age that equals their PT--9.? horses tend to level off when they turn 9. I did notice, when I was manually showing, that horses with very high PT's slow down their training rate earlier relative to their PT/age than the lower PT horses do, even though they don't level off completely.
3. Neutering a horse gives an advantage in training, but does not guarantee that a horse has a better chance of winning. I'm not sure exactly what that advantage is--they may gain a fraction of a point more than an intact horse with the same PT or perhaps go on training a bit longer. Ammit keeps some parts of the game a mystery to keep us challenged.
4. Which of the available classes you enter your horse in makes little difference, although if you are entering a number of horses at the same Level/Grade, you may want to enter some of them in different classes so you are not competing with yourself.
5. Do you mean the long number in parentheses on the Enter Your Horses ? I think that is most like an identification for the computer program which understands numbers, not words. That is, it is a unique identifier for each show so that the records get sorted and assigned correctly (just as each horse and each player has a unique ID number).
6. When a horse has reached its training limit, leveled off, that information will appear on its Info tab. It is the first bit of information in the third group under the horse's name.
7. How far a horse will go in showing is based on its PT--a combination of how long they train and how much they gain each week. How old the horse was when it started training--a foal after it turned two, a horse created as a 3 year old or one created as a 4 year old, for instance--makes a difference. The foal turned two has 1 more year (4-5 weeks) of effective training before it levels off than a horse created as a 3 year old with the same PT, for example.
Here is a link to my horses that are over 13 years old, so they are all leveled off. You can look through them to see what level they are, if you'd like. The level is listed in the search results, though if you want to compare grades in the same level, you'll have to check each horse individually.
http://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=13&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&f_basic=training_level&f_adv=none&tattoo=&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&sire=&dam=&barn=&owner=137592&breeder=&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&kit10=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1Post edited by SandyCreekAcres at 2015-11-13 08:01:40 -
Thank you! That helped a lot.
I have a few horses with PT's over 10 that have been sitting at level 2 for a little over a month. I have auto training, so I know they are being trianed. Am I just not being patient enough, or is this normal?
Also, I have bought a couple of horses that have the same PT and they jumped from level 2 to like 4 (not sure of the exact level jump) in their show records. How did this happen?
I figured the long list of numbers was an ID, just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing something. I play another online horse game where they give you the difficulty of the show you are entering. -
There are four grades in Level 2, so yes that is normal. It would take them at least a couple of weeks to pass through each of the grades. It would be easier to diagnose what is going on if you posted links to a couple of the horses in each group so I could look at their records .
In this game, you can be sure that the "difficulty" of each show is indicated by its Level/Grade. Level 1 contains inhand classes. Local shows will be horses from a smallish local area, some of them better, some worse. Regional shows would contain the best horses from several local areas, National even larger shows with the best of the regional winners and so forth.
If you are familiar with the 4H programs, Local would be the county Roundup show. Regional would be Districts. The next level of competition would be States. I'm not sure how far it goes beyond that. My daughter made it to states once, but no farther. -
This stallion is one of the ones who skipped a level.
http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3191985
This spayed mare has been stuck in the 2R, 2N shows for a few weeks now.
http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3483733
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If you look at the days when Hes Got Blitz was shown, you will see that there were weeks when he wasn't shown at all. He wasn't entered in any classes between April 29 and August 11, so he never got shown at Level 2 for any Grade. He didn't actually "skip" any levels, he just wasn't shown when he was at the ones that appear to have been missed.
If you can afford it, you should show him twice every week, whether he's in a position to win or not. Unless he places last, he will gain points that are awarded for his position in the class. These points, and those for all your horses, will contribute to you weekly showing bonus, so the more often you show them, the larger your income will be.
The mare looks like she is one of the horses that levels up after she passes 21, 31 etc. She should level up on Sunday. This is normal behavior for her. -
Thank you :)