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Gulastra Plume?
  • I just bought a horse who in the owner notes is gulastra plume, I've never had a horse with this gene and was wondering, if it can't be tested for how do you know they have it? He isn't in the breeders club for it...
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    http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=2718031
    I mostly bought him as rollover is coming and some of my high pointed show horses count be passing.
    When I was reading I saw that the horses with two genes of it have a tail that is gets whiter as it goes down? I have a mare who has that.
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    http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3147081

    HJ1 ID #: 211869
    HJ2 ID #: 7595
  • Your mare has splash making her tail white, not GP.

    The sire of the one you bought is hom GP, therefor, all the foals must have at least one GP.

  • She has it because she has splash, not GP, splash can give partial white tails too. GP needs agouti to work with (AA, A?). In the game, if a horse has GP (which is a gene you have to pay/GMT to get, unless you get lucky to breed to a horse that has it), can make a bay based horse's tail white from the bottom up. Thing is, if the horse is hetero for it, it will not show unless they are buckskins, and then it lightens the mane and tail a bit (in game, not in real life that I know of), and of course if they have it as homozygous, it still needs the Agouti gene, or it will not show. Looking at the linage of your stud, I know that Xenobiology was one of the original carriers of GP when it was introduced.
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  • Gulatra Plume has two requirements that must be met for it to really be visible: the horse has to be bay based and homozygous for GP. It does cause some lightening of the mane and tail of buckskins when heterozygous. For non-buckskins, the only way to identify a GP carrier is by pedigree (does the horse have a GP parent) or progeny (has the horse ever produced a visibly GP foal).

    APP That Weird Kid has to carry GP because his sire is homozygous for it. Also he has the subtle lightening of the mane and tail that buckskins with heterozygous GP exhibit.

    2G Angelic Interest, is not GP. The white in her tail is caused by splash.
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  • Okay, I have never really seen of heard about the gene thank you for explaining.

    When I looked at APP That Weird Kid's dam it said she is a GP carrier too, would that possibly make him homozygous? Since they have to be bay for the really obvious signs to show, and he is buckskin?
    HJ1 ID #: 211869
    HJ2 ID #: 7595
  • If he were homozygous GP, his tail would be white at the bottom. His mane and tail are lighter than you would expect for a bay or buckskin--dark gray and not black. This indicates that he is heterozygous GP. Evidently he did not get the dominant GP gene from his dam.

    A buckskin classifies as "bay based" which just means that they are E? A? regardless of any possible dilution genes.

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  • Ooh okay thank yous :) Guess I'll have to look for a GP mare to go with him now ;)
    HJ1 ID #: 211869
    HJ2 ID #: 7595
  • I don't know if you'd want any more information but that's an old horse of me that I sold a long time ago. My goal was to breed a homozygous GP horse, but he didn't end up homozygous and that's why I sold him in the first place. His dad is homo GP, he has the typical white tail which you can see. I was hoping for his mom to pass on her GP gene (which she has only one from; heterozygous GP) but she didn't since he didn't end up homozygous GP (he doesn't have that white tail). Since his dad is homozygous GP he always passes on his GP so your boy is a hetero GP. Since he is a buckskin you can see it in his mane and tail that he is hetero GP; they are lighter than a normal buckskin.

    If you want more GP examples feel free to browse trough my barn searching on GP: http://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&tattoo=&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&name=gp&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&sire=&dam=&barn=&owner=160524&breeder=&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&kit10=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1
    I have homozygous and heterozygous GP horses. On the buckskins you can see that they are heterozygous GP (compare those with 'normal' buckskins and you'll see the difference!) but on other horse colors it isn't visible if they are hetero GP or not.
    Another thing that makes it hard to see if a horse is GP is Silver and Champagne. If a horse has champagne it is less visible if it is heterozygous GP. Homozygous GP on champagne is visible however.
    Silver hides GP completely, since it affects the mane and tail of that horse (it makes it silver) so GP won't show.

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    HJ2 136

  • Oh okay, I mostly picked up up for points and I was curious to what GP was. There is the possibility of him siring a homozygous foal if the dam was homozygous for GP right?
    HJ1 ID #: 211869
    HJ2 ID #: 7595
  • He could sire a homozygous GP foal from any mare with at least one copy of GP, but a homozygous GP mare would mean the foal will for sure be at least heterozygous GP.
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