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Hmmm, if that is going to be the case it will be a bit frustrating. I hand show all my herd, which is only small 300-400 horses. (mostly foals at the moment though)
"You earn a 5727 hb's weekly bonus from showing.
This week you earned a net profit of 35,950hb's."
I feel it won't be worthwhile hand-showing and to be profitable you'd need a much larger herd which would then mean I wouldn't possibly be able to hand show... but I'm sure something will be worked out! But just a question? :)

If you look, there's a line on the homepage now that says, "You currently hold 1911550 points." I'm guessing it's this figure which is used to decide how much income you'd generate from the points you've accumulated. It sounds like that means you'd benefit from buying an experienced, high pointed show horse regardless of whether you showed him/her or just left him out in the pasture.

I have a question that I don't see answered anywhere. With the total points amount that our bonus is based off, does it include the points held by horses at pasture? So you'd still get the bonus for owning that horse?

Kind of like how, a retired show horse might garner more money once retired to breeding than a horse that's unshown and being bred?

I would appreciate it if more people would provide feedback. After all this effects you guys, if you don't give feedback I can't tailor the system.

Right now what I am seeing is those who where really good at the showing system now will be earning a decent amount less with the change (no surprise there) some who where really bad and just showed anyways are going to be making a decent amount more and most people will be pretty right on. Is this what you guys are seeing?

I don't show over here on HJ1, but I do on HJ2. I really haven't learned much about the showing enough to give feed back.
All I do when showing, is check my showing list and make sure I don't have 2 horses in the same show, because I don't find it helpful to me, money wise, to have horses I own show against each other.

I occasionally use the enter this barn method to check to see if I get any new horses making money (as they get older), but mostly I hand put them in, and only the ones with the + by their names, who are making money. Otherwise, I don't understand the show system at all.

For those who will make less it is worth remembering that right now you really don't show your horses all that often. You have to be very selective about when and how often each horse get shown. That is no longer going to be the case, your horses are going to have a lot more points in the future. Show horses are going to be worth more money now as well. This will help solve some economy issues with show horses. Those we are very successful with the current system are in the extreme minority. This change probably is going to suck some for them. You need to remember though that for those of you who hand enter you size your barns based on what you can hand enter. Entering will be WAY easier with this change that means you can own much bigger barns. Your income may drop initially but you have to be a power gamer to be where you are in the game right now and I have no doubt you will bounce back very quickly.


As an answer to every can I buy a horse with points/points in pasture/etc etc question just look at your points held/bonus pay part of your member page. You can see exactly how everything you do in your barn effects the bonus pay. You don't need to ask me. Yes if a horse you own has the points they count.

I love this Ammit.

I'm happy with the proposed changes. I am not sure where I'll fall in the end of everything. I've been making 300-400k in profit as is. My weekly bonus has been anywhere from 100k more to about 80k less than what my profit is showing.

Either way, I'm still making a ton of money and have no reason to complain about virtual money lol.

DreamCrest, you make excellent points. I have to agree with each.

I love that I know I'll be making this amount consistently, rather than watching it fluctuate over time.

I like the new showing system. At least for me it encourages to show all the horses. No matter age or level. With the old system you could really lose a lot of money. This ist much better now and even if my horses don't win me a massive profit, my weekly bonus still rises :)

But I have a think I stumbled across while showing my horses (which maybe already has been answered): whyn I klick the "enter barn" button sometimes it only enters 2 or three ov even less of the horses in that barn. Why is that so? And could that be changed? I would love to show all my stock (except the pasture horses of course) but hand entering them all take AGES....

Ah, ok...
Thanks

Thanks kc sport ponies! I am looking forward to be able to afford to enter all my horses to earn points, and therefore hbs.

I'll probably loose a decent amount of money because I never kept show horses that leveled off bad. I yummed them all, so that is sad for me. It will just change how I will have to play the game in the future, which is fine. I hope the change will make the game more fun for new people.

I like this idea. The lower entry prices would allow me to show more of my horses without worrying about the ones who won't place well dropping my profit so far into the negative. There are a lot of horses I don't show right now because I'm not sure how they'll place and testing that out could end up costing me a lot of hbs.

The lower prices would also make showing inconsistent horses less of a risk in my opinion. Best case scenario they might earn me some points if their score swings higher and they place well in a show. Worst case scenario their score swings low and they place dead last. They wouldn't earn me point for placing last, but at least I wouldn't lose a bunch of money in entry fees for those classes :)

I also agree that it would be a plus for the game economy if good show horses were worth more. Right now there's always the chance that a horse who has leveled off in a good place will gain that one extra point that moves it into the next level show and makes it pretty much worthless.

Chesapeake Farm, not only will entry fees be less - but prize money will be less too. So while you'll still get prize money from showing, it won't nearly be what you're getting now (in your case you said it's 200k right now). However, giving the weekly showing bonus is supposed to help counter this, if not make it more profitable this way.

Hope that helps give some more clarification.

The winnings from shows will be much less though

I just had to mention- I have now seen my weekly profits double, plus the bonus money!

I thought the old system was ingenious in that it was mysterious and multi-layered, giving the smart and determined player a chance to reward herself over her counterparts. The old system was very much like a good game of golf - a constant learning process, with the opportunity for perfecting your own use of the system and getting those extra few dollars just around the corner. Where is that challenge now? Where is the reward for hard work and refining of profits?

If you stop and think about it, money is about to be an effect of quantity of horses rather than skill of the player. And how must we obtain those extreme quantities of horses required to keep us financially afloat? By purchasing barns. With profits that are currently determined by how many barns we have. Unless we decide to pay large chunks of change with RL money to get back ahead. Why are we rewarding quantity instead of quality? Would this be an effective method of barn management in real life? Then why are we following such methodology in the game?

Where is the reward to obtain skill instead of spending RL money on the game?

The old system was not going to stay it was killing the game and needed to go. It no longer held any interest for the vast majority of players and I personally wanted nothing to do with it.

Nothing has changed at all as far as incentive to spend. You actually need LESS horses now then you did before, and I gave everyone lots of extra stalls for free recently too. All your horses can be money makers now instead of just a small percentage. That is a huge benefit to those with a fixed number of stalls. I don't know where you are getting the idea that you have to pay real life money to get ahead now. You can't spend money to increase your bonus pay.

Perhaps to some HAJ became a game of skill where they enjoyed outsmarting the auto enter but I never intended to make a game like that. It is not a game I am interested in maintaining or one most of my members want to play. It alienates new members and becomes a boring job for long standing members. I was ready for a change, the site needed it (or I was not going to keep running it for much longer) and the vast majority of members have been exceedingly excited for it. To me that says it was the right move for the site. I am asking you to give the change a chance before jumping to unfounded conclusions about it. It may not be the right change for you and you may end up going to a different game that is more number crunchy. That is fine. Games change and people come and go. My goal is not to keep every member but to do the best I can for the largest number of people I can. That meant implementing this change and means it won't ever be changing back. I am however willing to hear constructive feedback to how things might be improved. I may not agree with the ideas but I am always willing to at least give them a read.

Ammit, that's too bad! I saw my weekly net profit go from 200K to 400K and got really excited. Sorry it's only a bug.

I guess the bug is fixed now. My profits have gone from 200K to 1K.

I've been waiting and watching and I'm kinda scared by the new system. I was regularly making five figures weekly but this is the first time in weeks I have made a profit and It's only 12 hb. My bonus number is wonderful, in six figures but I'm assuming that my net profit includes this. Am I wrong? I've tried reading the threads but am confused. I spent a lot this breeding season but my bankroll is not recovering. Am I doing something wrong?

And you don't get your weekly bonus until rollover 12am game time on Sunday, so that could be why it seems like your bankroll isn't recovering. I know it's been tough for me during the week because I'm used to earning consistently through the week, whereas now we get it all in a lump sum on Sunday.

I was wondering if it could be a possible option to show your primary barn on auto show. I am finding that I again have way to many horses (which will be a good thing with the new system). I bought an additional barn to take care of some of the overflow because my primary was over full and I don't have additional space to move those horses around so they can also show. Unfortunately I don't have the time to hand show those 120 horses. :)

I also use that option but it lost me a bunch of money on the old system so I started moving my no show horses in that barn and had auto show on the rest