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Which Colors can (visibly) Carry DP?
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I know that all Chocolate Palominos and Liver horses have at least one copy of DP, and that Buckskin shows fairly well when it has it, that Freaky Friday and Cherry Drop are hom. for it, but what other colors have a good chance of carrying DP?
I've been trying to build up a herd of dark bay and brown mares, and I think I've got a good crop of foals who look dark enough that I'd guess they've got it in there, I'm just trying to figure out my game plan still.ID #238663, she/her pronouns -
Oh, I suppose I should also put dark chestnut on my list.ID #238663, she/her pronouns
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Not sure if this will be very helpful but I love the way Sooty+ interacts with DP.
This is one of my 2nd Gen studs that’s Hz DP and het S+, that way even Homozygous DP carriers aren’t just black when they have more than one Sooty gene.Thanked by 1ponypenname -
Bays can show DP they just turn a more red color like with the Cherry Drop RS
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Cherry Drop Rank Specials are also Wild Bay, which is what combines with DP to show that bright red. Other bays and browns can carry DP and it will affect their color, but it takes an experienced eye to see it, which mine is not.
Here is a son of one of my Cherry Drop stallions who is heterozygous for Ssty and DP. He looks dark enough to be homozygous Ssty because of the DP.
Rodolphus
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See, I have quite a lot of mares that look like this, with various additions of white:
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Would this mean that *all* of them carry DP, or that they carry either DP and one copy of sooty, or double sooty with no DP? -
DP is a darkening gene. Only chestnuts and palominos receive the "liver" or "chocolate" names when a certain level of darkening genes are present. In order for a chestnut or a palomino to receive the "liver" or "chocolate" in their name, they must have 3 of the darkening genes in any combination. Darkening genes include Sooty - Sty, Sooty+ - S+, and DP. I believe the only horses that physically cannot show DP is black horses, since DP affects the red pigment, and black horses obviously lack any red. All of the other colors - chestnut, palomino, dun, red dun, bay, brown, etc., can exhibit DP. I'd say detection is depending on a horse's particular combination of darkening genes. A homozygous DP horse will look similar/identical to a homozygous Sooty horse without any DP. A heterozygous DP and Sooty horse will also look the same as a homozygous DP or homozygous Sooty horse. The combinations are vast, and can often be tricky to spot, but colors other than "liver" and "chocolate" can show DP.Go boldly, where no App has gone before!Thanked by 1Kintara
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Ok, so I need to sit down and test all of my horses, then.
I wish this game had a more robust wiki. I mean, I'm taking notes, I've read the FAQ and the genetics guide, and I'm reading old threads everywhere I can find them, but a central location that went more in-depth would be fantastic. -
Bays and Browns can definitely be visible DP, it's just harder to pick. Especially with the het Ssty horses, I find it easier to see on the SstySsty horses as the bays and browns can't be that dark without DP, so I don't have to work it out so much LOL! The wild bays can be easier to see too as they go a bright red rather than darker
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I'd say it is likely that most of them would be homozygous Ssty, because that is the more common gene. Without the genetic test to show how many copies of Sooty a horse has, it is rash to even speculate about whether or not it has DP. However, if any of them are lined, and there is a known DP carrier in their pedigree, that slightly ups the chances of its presence.Thanked by 1Kintara