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A working example of uneven breeding and pasture bonuses.
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Originally posted by Ammit in March 2017 on Forest Server (HJ2)
I decided it would help people a lot to see some real concrete examples of what sort of intact rates you should expect from breeding your horses. I created 50 perfect foundation mares and bred them each 8 times too different studs at different pasture bonus levels. Here are the results.
**All horses used in this test and all foals had all testing done on them including strict breeding advice. You can expect a much larger number of intact foals (near double) for regular breedng advice**
Test 1: Perfect foundation stallion (100% breeding ability) bred to 50 perfect foundation mares (100% breeding ability), zero days in pasture.
Results: 12 intact foals, 38 altered foals. Avg breeding ability 99%, Avg PT 9.65
Test 2: Perfect foundation stallion (100% breeding ability) bred to 50 perfect foundation mares (100% breeding ability), 30+ days in pasture.
Results: 34 intact foals, 16 altered foals. Avg breeding ability 102%, Avg PT 9.91
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Test 3: Exceptionaly perfect foundation stallion (105% breeding ability) bred to 50 perfect foundation mares (100% breeding ability), zero days in pasture.
Results: 3 intact foals, 47 altered foals. Avg breeding ability 103%, Avg PT 9.99
Test 4: Exceptionaly perfect foundation stallion (105% breeding ability) bred to 50 perfect foundation mares (100% breeding ability), 30+ days in pasture.
Results: 20 intact foals, 30 altered foals. Avg breeding ability 105%, Avg PT 10.21
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Test 5: 5% Boosted Exceptionaly perfect foundation stallion (110% breeding ability) bred to 50 perfect foundation mares (100% breeding ability), zero days in pasture.
Results: 5 intact foals, 45 altered foals. Avg breeding ability 104%, Avg PT 10.11
Test 6: 5% Boosted Exceptionaly perfect foundation stallion (110% breeding ability) bred to 50 perfect foundation mares (100% breeding ability), 30+ days in pasture.
Results: 11 intact foals, 39 altered foals. Avg breeding ability 108%, Avg PT 10.39
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Test 7: 5% boosted clone of 5% Boosted Exceptionaly perfect foundation stallion (115% breeding ability) bred to 50 perfect foundation mares (100% breeding ability), zero days in pasture.
Results: 0 intact foals, 50 altered foals. Avg breeding ability 108%, Avg PT 10.48
Test 8: 5% boosted clone of 5% Boosted Exceptionaly perfect foundation stallion (115% breeding ability) bred to 50 perfect foundation mares (100% breeding ability), 30+ days in pasture.
Results: 1 intact foals, 50 altered foals. Avg breeding ability 110%, Avg PT 10.68
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This test gives a great look at what sort of intact rates you can expect given different amounts of uneven ability breeding. All these horses are foundations so are certainly even generation numbers but ever 5% increase in breeding ability is roughly a generations increase in quality.
The perfect foundation stud is even ability with the perfect foundation mares, but the 105% stud is like crossing second gens and foundations, the 110% is like crossing third gens and foundations and the 115% stud is like crossing a 4th gen and foundations.
Mares with a full 30 day pasture bonus produced foals about as good as those sired by a stallion 5% higher, but with a much higher intact rate.
These ratios hold true regardless of how good the horses are. A sire who is 5% better then the mares will always produce a similar ratio of intact foals regardless if the cross is 105% to 100% or 125% to 120%.
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
This is really helpful, thanks Confluence!Thanked by 1ConfluenceStable
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This is awesome - I love numbers!
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So.... if I'm reading these statistics correctly, then... the breeding in test 2 would be the most desirable? It gives you the most unaltered foals giving you more opportunities to breed in the future and continue to grow your stable. Then breeding similar gens together would bring about better results, like in test 2. Also, the more time the horses spend in the pasture the higher the intact rates are, which I read in the FAQ about pastures and breeding. If you're breeding for PT rates though, you would want to breed horses together more like those in test 8. So really, these tests just show you the general outcomes and basically show you how to get what you are desiring in your horses whether that be PT, Consistency, color, intact, or breeding ability.
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right?
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Yes. So Test 2 is:
Perfect Foundation Stud x Perfect Foundation Mare (30 days in Pasture).
And you can apply that to everything, just change "Foundation".
2nd Generation Stud x 2nd Generation Mare (30 days in Pasture)
3rd Generation Stud x 3rd Generation Mare (30 days in Pasture)
and so on...
and so on...
Will give you the best results and most intact horses.Player ID #239177. Breeding Rosales Warmblood Horses. Liver, Chocolate, KitM, Phantom Autumn. -
I had tested two studs outside of pasture
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Depends on what your end game is Foxglen, most amount of intacts doesn't mean they are all good quality. I most often do test4 I think, and still get plenty of intacts but just picks up the quality a bit. I still breed even generations, but the stallion is likely better than at least half the mares