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- Bandit1119 January 2020
- CamanoViewRanch January 2020
- ConfluenceStable December 2019
- gemfish January 2020
- kgstable December 2019
- LenasHollywood January 2020
- Maribo January 2020
- paradoxphoenix December 2019
- Silverstar December 2019
- Wingedeagle December 2019
How do you do it?
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I have a gazillion stallions and I want to keep them ALL...but who seriously needs that many stallions? How do you figure out which ones to keep/geld/sell? I am still really new so not organized in the least yet haha. Do you choose which genes to keep? Or stick with PT? Or other stats?Home of Kalluchin Warmbloods and Drafts
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It’s really really hard. I still have too many stallions even after narrowing them down.
In my Era 7 leaderboard app line, stallions get compared to the current top stallion in their generation. If they’re worse, they’re culled even if they’re sup to sire. I don’t really need any 2G studs anymore so they get culled automatically unless they offer something too unique to geld. I culled one 3G stallion who passed all other criteria by turning him to a mare lol
I’m not really sure what to do with my Pinto/DP line to be honest. They’re kind of anything and everything so I just go through once in a while and eliminate less favorite repeats of things I already have.
My GP line, anything not homozygous GP gets culled now (with rare exceptions if they have a gene I’m trying to add to the line) -
First I geld anything that doesn’t fit my color requirements. Then I geld all inconsistent stallions. Then I geld anything that doesn’t fit my paper requirements. Once I do that then I test them to see if they’re superior to sire, only superior to sire stay entire. Usually I’m down to two to five colts per generation. Then I compare each colt against each other and the stallion I’m currently using as a stud (meaning he is the sire of at least 50% of my foals at his generation). I comp test them to each other if any are inferior they are cut, then I compare PT, color, and size. Once I have chosen my favorite then the others are put up for sale, if they have not sold by the time they are 3 they are cut.
I also cut anything that hasn’t been used consistently if ever.
I only need one stallion per generation right now because I only have a few mares per generation, once I get more mares I’ll keep a second stud per generation. I will admit at the moment I have way too many 2g stallions. I have about 20 stallions to 180 mares.
Personally I have horrible luck selling stallion so I’ve pretty much given up trying.
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I am brutal about using the comparison testing and altering any that are not superior.
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
My 2G studs HAVE to paper at least B and my 3G studs HAVE to paper A or higher. That's the first step.
Then I look at the color, are they what I'm breeding for? Do they have the genes and look I want? If it's no, I either geld them and keep as show horses if their PT score is over 10 or I'll auction them to get at least 2500 (which covers breeding costs if I don't use straws or AI Lab). If they do have the colors and genes I want I use comparison testing. Once they go through all testing and pass, I keep the ones I use the most or the ones with the most genes I am breeding for.
I don't have thousands of horses like these large stables do so I don't have many to go through but I pick what I like the absolute best and know the other pretty ones will make gorgeous show ponies :) -
I only keep 2 stallions per generation. After breeding I run every test available. Any that are left in tact I look at color. I am breeding for dp, cream, and kit genes. Any colts that miss those genes get snipped. After that, I look at paper level. My gen 2 stud is an A, so only other A colts stay intact. 5th gen I am starting to get Stars so only Star colts pass. All colts must be superior to sire. Then I compare all colts to each other. The superior one is the one I use. If all colts are about as good as each other, I pick the one I like best.
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Stallions are the easy part from me. All must be superior, and I prefer all 2Gs to be superior to an expro, even from C/yellow foundations. They must be consistent, but I might GMT that. They must for my color lines. Also, all KP stallions past 2nd gen must be homozygous KP. And the big chop comes by me only allowing one colt from each stallion, unless they have different genes that I could use.ID 195859
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I actually really love to cull.
Especially if I’m in a bad mood I will gleefully skip through my barns like Oprah “your gonna get the snip, and your gonna get the snip and you and you and your all gonna get the snip!” The only reason I have so many studs currently is that I only have my phone so it takes way longer to go through them but look out boys when I get on a computer.
But seriously use all the testing you have available to you. And trust that it’s only getting rid of the bad apples. There’s still a good deal of wiggle room in the passes.
Of course I have a huge barn and been around for a long time so I can also afford to be super strict and have the money for all the testing. Also I’ve recently started to add new things to my culling process because I felt too many were getting through and I needed to be stricter.
First things first maybe sit down and figure out what you want to breed for them to through your studs and visually see whether that would remove too many studs or if it would still leave you with too many studs.
Personally I breed Grullos.
Which over the years I’ve refined to:
grullos with white patterns,
“ with kit patterns or fantasy genes,
“ “ E? D? Studs only,
“ “ EE D? Or E? DD Studs only
“ “ EE DD studs only
First I do as much testing from the barn as possible so that a pretty picture isn’t going to sway me to keep it and I can test more at once. I also throw all my foals into one barn for testing and remove them in batches as they are gelded or have passed all the tests and have their breeding prefix in place.
First I select everyone run strict breeding advice.
I click the three bars near the sort button which refreshes the page and I select everyone again but deselect the spayed and geldings (this is new. I’ve started sending batches to the auction so have stopped testing them for everything. Before I would do SBA, PT and gene testing and keep everything) and do performance testing.
Then I open a search page. Deselect gelding and spays and sort by consistency. Jump to the last page and geld/spay all the inconsistent foals.
Then I send all the geldings and spayed mares to another barn and to the auction.
The rest get gene testing done and I open the search and sort by not like Grullo. I alter everything that pops up except my Homo fantasy horses.
I clear the search and sort by must not have E and then must not have D Individually to catch the non grullos hiding beneath the axiom or nexus.
Depending how I’m feeling I will deselect the mares and sort by must have e then must have d and geld all the results from the 2 searches. Or I’ll wait until later to use that to choose between boys.
Next Back in the barn I select everyone and run breeding inspection (it’s free for geldings and mares so no added costs)
Then I open the search. Put name not like J, and sort by sire (my intact breeders prefixes both start with J so that eliminates having to wade through horses already tested) Then I go through the list and open the sires pages and open the foals search clearing gelding and spays (This way I can compare all the brothers stats with each other)
First I search must not have ___ and input whatever gene line the stud is from.
So if he is axiom R then must not have axiom R and geld all the mares and stallions without. I have axiom, nexus, plaid, wrong warp in circulation currently but added a whole whack more the last 2-3 months. My intact foals must have inherited their sires gene.
If it’s my KP line I’ve been altering horses with only 1 kit gene. I’ve also started getting enough homo KP studs that het kp have been on the chopping block.
Next I sort the mares and stallions by papers and alter the lower papers.
Next I separate the mares and stallion in the search
The mares get comp tested and prefixes added to superior mares.
The studs I sort through and geld the E? D? If I hadn’t done that earlier and there’s already EE DD brothers.
I comparison test all the intact boys left and add prefixes to the superiors.
I only keep 3 colts per stallion so if there’s more I will geld single kit horses or het (insert fantasy gene) or if there’s other genes in the mix that I’m not fond of. Some days I’ll just sort by PT and geld the 4th place down.
Once I’ve worked through all the sires my list of foals should all have prefixes and no longer showing in the search.
I sort everyone to their generations barn and then go through each barn. I only keep the top 2 papers in each generation until the top paper starts to be the majority and then I’ll go through and alter the lower paper.
I’ll also open a search and go through each fantasy gene line I have in that generation and thin the studs down. If there’s homo studs all the het. Studs get snipped. Het Kit horses will get snipped if there is studs with homo kit genes. Het kp get the snip if there’s homo KP.
In the past I have filled all the stallion slots in my pasture and then went and altered all the intact breeding age studs left in my barns. I figure they probably had 3+ chances at being picked and there was some reason or another that they didn’t get picked so good bye boys.Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes -
Thankfully the actual process of culling stallions takes me a whole lot less time than actually writing it out.Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes
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I have started changing superior colts into mares, I need more mares now . It's only 1 GMT token now
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Like Oprah, love it! =))
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I guess I'll start with figuring out what EXACTLY I want. Right now my barn is full of randomness haha. I have only had two breeding seasons so not many 2G horses yet. Last month was a horrible breeding season...all stallions and spayed mares (just my luck). I'm still learning as I go to say the least haha!Home of Kalluchin Warmbloods and Drafts