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OopsDotCom · Jun 11, 2021 4:53 PM

In the "dun" spot I see this:

e/E A/A Cr/Prl nd1/- p/p -/R PATN1/-

what does the nd1 in the spot for Duns mean please?

boredaf · Jun 11, 2021 5:31 PM

it means non dun 1, very faint markings

erisna · Jun 11, 2021 5:36 PM

Here’s some examples-

Black with no other dilutions

2GBlu Almost Beautiful
Liver chestnut no other dilutions

2GBlu Beauty Is Pain
Bay no other dilutions

2GBlu I Got It

OopsDotCom · Jun 11, 2021 5:37 PM

but there is dun there at least? Can you breed it to a higher percent of dun especially if you need specific genes?

erisna · Jun 11, 2021 5:47 PM

No, dun and non-dun 1 (ND1) are two completely separate genes, not a sliding scale (in game at least, haven’t researched it IRL).

Dun causes a more sharply defined stripe down the spine and sometimes leg stripes, and makes the coat lighter.

ND1 makes the coat lighter, with less defined darker areas around the spine and shoulders.

You can have both on the same horse, I’m a bit iffy on what exactly they do in combination but it sure looks neat!

FNDR Dramatics

bluchrystals · Jun 11, 2021 5:59 PM

I breed ND1/D livers. The expression varys...a lot! These have a lot of white-spotting as that's what I breed for, but they still show the coat colors.

https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&color=liver&owner=247338&10=1&96=1&16=2&55=1&40=2&128=0&129=0&offset=25&offset=0

boredaf · Jun 11, 2021 7:47 PM

@erisna my understanding from the gene guide is that D is dominant (not semi-dominant like axiom or co-dominant like kit) so in combination only D should express similar to how E/e works.

I think.

Nightphoenix · Jun 12, 2021 5:42 AM

Yep, dun is dominant over nd1.

Humboldt · Jun 12, 2021 5:46 AM

The Dun and nd1 do interact a bit here in the game.

Here is blu's mare

LVR2A Ghost Master

Her nd1 smudging and shadowing is bolder and the coat still gets its dun dilution.

Compare to this mare with just nd1

LVR3a Ancient Timbers

bluchrystals · Jun 12, 2021 10:26 AM

The expressions of both throw so many different colors! That why I breed livers that carry them. :D

OopsDotCom · Jun 13, 2021 6:58 PM

What do you mean by expressions, of colors livers that carry what?

bluchrystals · Jun 13, 2021 9:01 PM

Coat color. Putting ND1/Dun together makes many different coat colors. You can get het for both, hom ND1, hom Dun...just depends on how the genes fall. Each one of those throws a different coat color and different shades within that color.

ChateauAlbere · Jun 15, 2021 7:11 AM

I've become a big fan of Dun + nd1 combos, and have worked nd1 into my dun lines over on HJ2. In general, the nd1 shoulder "cape" is more pronounced, but they also tend to skew colors a bit. A small sample:

L2Bl RavenDarkholme dfp1

L3A Jotnar dfp1