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What's the difference between Varnish Promoter and Roaning?
  • What does Varnish Promoter do? What does it look like on a horse? I can't visualize from the description in the lab.
    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2024-04-20 21:02:45
  • You can always go back to the Wiki, I've wrote up a few things on Appaloosa coloring.

    https://wiki.huntandjump.com/books/all-about-appaloosas-wip

    Varnish Promoter (Vrn)
    The presence of this gene will increase Appaloosa Varnishing. This gene is Incomplete Dominant, and its expression will strengthen over a horses life time. It can also be influenced by other genes. Must have at least one copy of LP to be shown. This gene will not affect Spots on the horses coats.

    The key words being "increase Appaloosa Varnishing", so they varnish out faster.

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    Het for Varnish Promoter

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    same horse with HOM Varnish Promoter and refreshed.
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  • But you see, it says they varnish out faster. But I don't know what "varnish" means or looks like. If I look at the two pictures you show here, does varnish then make them turn white?
    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2024-04-13 20:52:29
  • Varnish is the "roaning" or ticking that horses with LP display.
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  • But I don't know what roaning means. Please, I've read the genetics guide several times, and I can't guess what these mean or do.
  • OK when a horse "roans" out ; additional white hairs are replacing what ever color the coat was; so more roaning = more white, until the entire coat is white Except for the spots.
    Here is a 30yo BlueRoan Snowflake Appy :

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    this is a Snowflake appy foal ; by the time he hits 30 he will also be completely "roaned" out or all white also :

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    Anni9

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  • So "varnishing" means "roaning" then?

    Thank you! Thank you so much!
    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2024-04-14 21:18:14
  • Edited to change the title to ask my question.

    Does varnishing mean roaning, and if so, why are there two different genes to modify?
  • Varnishing is not the same thing as roan. "Roaning" is just the word people were using to describe to you how varnishing looks. Varnishing is part of appaloosa and it whites out the coat over time as the horse ages. LP (appaloosa, which varnishing is part of) and R (roan) are different genes entirely.
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  • Varnish Promoter isn't going to look like anything physical on a horse. By itself, it is nothing.

    In the game, it AMPLIFIES the Varnishing effect of the LP gene.

    The pictures I posted show you a Medium and an Extreme Varnish example. With the medium being heterozygous for Varnish Promoter, and the Extreme being homozygous.

    Ignore @annismyrph she's got Roan on the brain LOL. When discussing Appaloosa color, I try to make sure I always use the term Varnish for this very reason. There are a lot of words out there to describe white ticking in a horses coat. Roan and Varnish are 2 different groups of genes, and behave in very different ways. Even though the end result they can look the same.
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  • So the visual result is the same? Both end up with a whiter horse?

    Do they both need Lp on the horse to work? Do they both need to be on the same horse at the same time?

    Do either of them influence lethal white?
  • Yes, The visual result is basically the same ; they both end up mostly white.
    No Roan works in and of itself. You can have a Roan Horse without him being Appoloosa and vice versa.
    While Roan is on the same Gene Loci as the "whites" it does not change or influence the lethal combinations.
    Appoloosa is on a different Gene loci as the "whites" and also does not influence the lethal combinations.
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  • Thank you so much.
  • And varnish progressively makes the horse whiter with age but roan doesn't. Roan can vary in how much it shows though. On some horses the roan is barely visible and on some it's very obvious, but it doesn't continually make the horse whiter with age.
  • Ah, thank you again. I didn't realize that.

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