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Welcome to Hunt and Jump. You can keep an eye out here on the forum for Herd Helpers that are either gray or black, or check out the Foundation Rescue by searching owner 13. All horses in that rescue are perfect foundations, which means that they are the best at both breeding and showing that regular create horses can be and that they will add 3 points to their show scores with every training and have the same score each time they show in a week. Not all the horses will be the colors you are looking for, but some might be.

Here are some pictures of gray horses at various ages. Each horse grays out differently, and it can be hard to see on some colors. Genetically, if the horse has been color tested, look for Gg in the gene test results for heterozygous gray and GG for homozygous gray horses. Gray is a complete dominant, which means that any horse with even one G allele will gray out.

Here is a gray foal.

http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3397399
Notice the grayish patches on her withers and croup.

This foal shows similar grayish patches and a light "goggle" at the eye as well.

http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3399857

Here is a 2 year old that shows more gray patches than the two foals.

http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3314651

This is what gray looks like on a homozygous cream horse at 2.

http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3317708

Here is a homozygous gray 4 year old.

http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3071593

Here is a heterozygous gray 8 year old.

http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=2741657

Black horses will appear black.

Horses that are black are either Ee aa or EE aa in their gene test results. This means that they are at least heterozygous for black pigment (Ee). EE is homozygous black. The horse must also be homozygous for recessive agouti (aa). The dominant A creates bay horses even when heterozygous.

You will want to avoid any of the dilution genes--cream, dun, silver, champagne. (Ccr, D. Z, and Ch).

To make sure of producing percheron-like black or gray offspring, start with horses that are EE aa G?. This will prevent you from the chance of producing chestnuts. You will also want to avoid any patterns except roan (though even this is not always approved). That would include the dominant whites (KitW, Kit W2, KitW3, KitW4), sabino (KitSb[1, 2, 3), tobiano (KitTo), splash (Sps, Sps3, and Pax3C70Y), Frame (Olw), and appaloosa (Llp). You will want to find horses with a White Factor of None, Minimal or Light, since less white is considered more desirable than large white stockings and facial markings. (All of this information is from a breed description.)

I hope this is helpful. Don't hesitate to ask if anything isn't clear or if you have other questions. We are a friendly community and like giving new players a helping hand.

You are going to want plain black foundations and blacks with gray to mimic the breed. There are so many of these in the auction and for sale on a regular basis you are not going to have to settle for anything else. I would not over complicate things worrying to much genetics and pattern stuff.

Here is a black based gray herd helper to get you started. The link expires in 24 hours :)
http://www.huntandjump.com/add_horse_form.php?dhh=225067

Oh wow missed that herd helper entirely just recheck this thread but thanks Ammit I have picked up some from the foundation rescue. All my E G stallions keep getting gelded and a lot are coming up crazy colors. Its not easy but very addictive.

Thanks Covus He is cute:) But looking for solid black with gray gene to breed up to start level though. EE aa GG or Gg with as little white or pattern as possible :)

I would how much?

Ok Great Thank You!