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What is WHG? I don't know anything at all about its showing system... and I just figured this one out and I'm just now in the black with my relatively young horses. I was looking forward to finally making some money with them.

On the other hand, it took me months to learn this system and I find it to be awkward and not that much fun to actually participate in. Showing your horses feels more like work you have to do to fund breeding. So I do think it could use an overhaul. I like everything about the bullet points listed above except earnings from showing being minimal.... how then would you fund your expensive breeding habit? LOL

@ Chivalree - WHG = http://www.westernhorsegame.com/

Horses with high prestige earn you money just by standing around. So while the showing doesn't have such a large direct impact, it impacts prestige which then impacts your funds.

It is a bit more complex. :)

CJ - Are you referring more to the multiple classes over there? If so, I'm not sure that's what Ammit is thinking here. It sounds like she's talking more about how you earn money from showing rather than re-doing how entering classes works.

I really enjoyed using the showing system on WHG and was hoping you'd want to bring it to HaJ to be honest.

I'm definitely interested in this. Now, I've barely played WHG in the last couple of RL years because my heart has always been here. As a matter of fact, my account has been deactivated over there for awhile now. However, I did get to play around with it a little and while it was somewhat confusing at first (because I am used to the HJ system), it seemed really neat and I liked the overall aspect of it.

One thing I can't remember though, would switching to the WHG system do away with PT? I can't remember if it's still in play there or not.

I played WHG pretty extensively and have only recently come back to HAJ. I like that the two games work totally different, and changing the show system over would make it seem very much like variations on the same game. That said, I've found WHG much easier to learn and keep up with. I am on HAJ more now just because the game overall is more active, but I get a lot more enjoyment out of showing on WHG. Part of that may just be that I haven't been back on HAJ long enough to get a grip on how to be successful showing, but if I were to voice an opinion based on what I know of each game right now, I'd say I'd be very interested in seeing a similar system implemented on HAJ.

I don't know if the two are tied together or not, but one think I very much like about the HAJ system over WHG is the various testing available. I'm horribly impatient (and tend to hit the breed button a few too many times), and while I know testing doesn't tell you everything, I like having something to go on before the babies are old enough to show to tell me if I'm moving in the right direction and to help me cull the herd to stay within the limits of my barns.

I am absolutely for it.
There is no downside at all to showing in WHG. Because show entry fees and earnings are minimal compared to HJ, there is practically no risk. Enter every horse, as often as possible. No reason not to!

Well I'm making very good money at last on Hanjinc so not sure that I'd really want to to change right now LOL! But do agree it's a hard system to learn to do well with, and hard to earn consistent money until you have a LOT of horses. I'm not sure that I loved WHG either though, the prestige as far as showing was ok but didn't so much like it for breeding horses. I prefered HJ, thus why I didn't end up playing WHG all that much

I am really quite fond of the current showing system, I like the fact that it isn't quite so straightforward and I did very much enjoy learning how to be successful with showing.
Having said that I have not used the WHG showing system so I cannot say which I prefer.

I will be honest, the idea kind of scares me. My showing has been left behind for about 4 months, & I have just barely gotten my barns organized & back into showing again. I have tried WHG, but never was ever to grasp how the game worked, so therefore I never pursued it. But whatever changes are made, I'm sure I will adjust & love this game no less.

I thought that higher prestige horses gave the foals higher prestige at birth?

I tried WHGs new system, and while I can see its merits and thought it was great for giving WHG a different flavor than Haji, I personally didn't care for it. I like what we have here better.

I will say this. I have been playing HJ since 2006. Once auto shower became available I jumped on top of it. I never made money showing by hand. While I mostly understood the show system (after much time spent learning it), showing by hand was daunting and cumbersome. Additionally, I only now just started making consistent money within the last year, and I partly attribute that to the fact that I have a show string of a few thousand horses. Plus, I show everything, I try to cull leveled off horses at least every other week and I've taken the time to breed and keep enough horses that I'll always have a number leveled off in that "right" spot.

I can easily see how the current show system can turn new members away. New members are trying to learn everything, not just the show system. Look at everything the game has now. There is so much to learn. Most of us joined at a point where the game didn't have half the features it does now. Part of knowing how to use the show system is knowing how to play the rest of the game. It takes a few months to at least get a decent grasp of how the game works, yet one of the points of the game is earning money via showing. Unless you buy from someone, which is uncommon, you're not going to have a horse that's consistently in the money for at least a few game years. From what I understand, with the prestige system, new members would have a better chance of earning money.

Another thought I had is, it's really hard to earn money unless you're upgraded and have some of the automated features that assist you in showing and training. Of course we want more people to upgrade and have more skin in the game. However, most people won't upgrade until they know they like and want to stick with the game. If the show system is hard to use and learn, why would you want to throw real money into something you find frustrating? I think we need something that is more user-friendly and fun, especially for new members. From what I know of the system at WHG, that could be it. Another thing to remember is that this is not WHG, I am sure Ammit will take our concerns and suggestions into consideration, as she always does. If something is not working for us with the new system, it can always be tweaked to fit what is best for us here.

On top of this, I was thinking that this could give a boost to the HJ economy. Sure, you may not earn as much money from showing as you do now, but now you have the prestige system which means you could earn money off your breeding stock (which most people don't show now). Plus, I think this means more people will be earning money across the board, which is better for the type economy HJ has.

The last thing I want to point out is that I am currently earning +200-500k a week. I say all of this coming from a position where I'm earning a ton of money now and it would benefit me more to stick with the current system, where I know I'm earning money, rather than go to a completely new system and have no idea if it will beneficial to me personally or not. I say all of this because, based upon Ammit's comment regarding new members, I feel this would be more beneficial to the game as a whole.

(This is really just general thoughts I've had since this conversation started and is not directed at any particular comments.)

My show herd is too young to earn me tons of money, but I understand the system; and I think I got the hang of showing. However, I tottally agree with Raina and Ammit - from time to time it's necessary and healthy for the game to be renewed in order to enlist new members and to maintain interest of current players.

The current showing system is pretty daunting, and even once you've learned how it works, if you show by hand like many small stables do (and should) it's practically a full time job trying to keep track of who and what and when. I can definitely see how things as they are intimidate new players and turn them away from the game.

I don't know if a direct conversion of the WHG system would be appropriate for H&J, but I'm sure there is a happy medium somewhere that would make it both appropriate and easier for people who are coming into the game now to get a handle on.

I would not do a direct conversion to the WHG system.

To tell the truth, I had a lot of problems too with learning the show system here on HJ1, but once I saw the post that Master Stables MS posted about how they show, I was able to understand when is the best time to show the horses. This is the post that helped me, see the chart Master Stable MS posted.

http://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/1026#Comment_1026

I'm not that old a player really, so certainly remember the confusion of starting. One of the biggest things I noticed when I started, and new players are asking about too, there isn't really anyway to win money in the early days. No early goals that get you rewards etc. The showing system is at last giving me 600k + a week, but that's no way for new players to win money. I mean it took many game years for horses I bred to level off, cull the losers and give me a consistent show string, plus you need thousands of horses. It's a very long term project and realistically not very helpful for new players. I'm not sure the WHG is the answer though, I did try it for a while (the new system) but quickly became bored and came back here, plus I didn't like it how the game over there is all about the showing, I don't take any notice of the showing here really other than to cull badly losing stock. I'm here for the breeding LOL!

Everyone on HJ2 is a kind of a new player there, and the economy really suffers as there is no way to win/earn money. Means people can't buy horses, use outside stallions etc, economy is very slow. If you were going to try another system that would be the place to try it, and see if it improve the economy. Just my thoughts anyway!
(PS why don't people show their breeding stock?! I show everything, and some of my best money earners are intact horses!)

Things I like about the WHG system: easy to learn, prestige - more realistic in high prestige parents = higher prestige foal = more value for breeding = more income. Less loss of funds because the entry fees and showing profits are smaller.

Things I would like to see in a conversion: the prestige factor is great and very realistic. Low show profits are also more realistic (large profits are only in world-class, international events). I'd like invite-only international shows (a la Spruce Meadows Masters or FEI World Championships), maybe at a club level?

I don't like change - few people do. Having said that, I have found that whenever Ammit has made a change to this game it has been beneficial and I trust her judgement. One thing I would ask is that if there is a change to the showing system that a sticky is posted somewhere explaining exactly how it works.

I stopped playing whg because I love keeping spreadsheets, tracking numbers, and hand entering. I like the challenge of haj showing system. I didn't like that I lost the ability to "see" my horses exact numbers when showing and the scores of foals compared to sires and dams. In all honesty, if the showing system were changed to what whg has now I would try to keep at it because these two games are the best I've ever played but I worry that it would turn me off so much that I wouldn't want to play anymore. I like definitive proof of a horse being superior or not (even if that's not real life) and of show scores compared to other horses. I find the system easy to understand and do very well with my small barn at turning a profit.

I am in favor of the New system. I have not been able to geta gap on this system on HJInc at all.

Not unless you want me to stop working on the game forever.