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Taliesin · Jul 30, 2019 1:18 PM

Yes, DP is a darkening gene. It's one of the ones you need to get a liver chestnut. Pheomelanin is red pigment, DP increases that red pigment. It's hidden, but it does happen in Herd Helpers and random creates, unlike KP, which needs to be GMTed on.

Maribo · Jul 30, 2019 1:25 PM

Edit: Nvm me :P

HorseAngel · Jul 30, 2019 1:29 PM

I see and so if a horse is a dark shade of chestnut then if could have at lease one copy of DP or if you breed a dark horse to another dark and the foal turns out to be a Liver? Don't they have to have the sooty gene too to be a live chestnut? They are a pretty coat color as well!

Wolvevenfrost · Jul 30, 2019 1:37 PM

@HorseAngel I'm not an expert on livers but I do know that in order for a horse to be a liver it has to have three darkening genes. Here are all my livers. (I have a tattoo that I manually put on them so I know their all livers.)

https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=Hershey+Livers&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d3=&d2=&d4=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&mu2=&mu1=&chn2=&chn1=&tig1=&tig2=&tig3=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&spM=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&ice14=&ice15=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&nexw=&rainr=&rainwt=&rainpl=&raint=&rainna=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

Heartwood · Jul 30, 2019 1:53 PM

I made a pretty big thread a while ago that's full of links and info about DP. It has a lot of pictures (which I'm still updating), but in the first post is a lot of basic information about it :)

link

Another good way to learn about the different expressions of DP is by going through the offspring of horses that are hom DP (since all of their foals will have at least one copy)

Here's a link to all of my hom DPs (that I've managed to tattoo so far :)))

link

Wolvevenfrost · Jul 30, 2019 2:00 PM

@Peachtree I absolutely love your thread about DP! When I first saw it when you posted it I was shocked and my jaw was open the whole time! It's an impressive and informative thread!

Can I also mention that 2G Kracun is black liver goals!♥️♥️ That mane and tail with her coat is darling!♥️♥️♥️

Taliesin · Jul 30, 2019 2:08 PM

The DP Codex is a gift

Heartwood · Jul 30, 2019 2:08 PM

@Wolvevenfrost :x Aw thank you so much! I know I was constantly on the forum asking loads of questions about DP when I first began (and even now there's so much to remember about it) so I thought it could hopefully help some people!

Would you believe I actually got him (and his sister Arrow Wood) at auction. Lucky find, and yessss, the super blonde flaxen look is very striking :D

@Natalya I'm so glad that people are finding it useful (And continuing to contribute)!

HorseAngel · Jul 30, 2019 3:30 PM

Wow, it's a good read definetly! Thank you much for the link @Peachtree! All of you have been very helpful in my quests to breed appaloosas of all kinds! @Natalya would you send me a message whenever you are ready with Jack? No rush :) Just want to be ready when you are!

HorseAngel · Jul 30, 2019 3:34 PM

@Wolvevenfrost your Livers are beautiful!

bluchrystals · Jul 30, 2019 4:04 PM

Just because you're talking livers and Appies...you could always blend them.

B Just 2 Show U a

Taliesin · Jul 30, 2019 5:53 PM

:D

LIV2 LEO2 Dark Alchemist

Yes, I'll let you know

HorseAngel · Jul 31, 2019 11:26 AM

I love them both! Thank you!

HorseAngel · Jul 31, 2019 11:31 AM

I have made two more hom Llp mares but no PATN1 so just going to use them anyway and see what happens( and will use West Wind too).

HorseAngel · Jul 31, 2019 5:37 PM

These are my new appy mares! https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=8944129

HorseAngel · Jul 31, 2019 5:38 PM

https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=8945213

HorseAngel · Jul 31, 2019 5:42 PM

What do you think of them? I really like the hom Llp champagne mare! I think I am going to name any champagne foals after something to do with wine, get it?:)

Taliesin · Jul 31, 2019 8:37 PM

Lol I've definitely made champagne references in my names! They're both cute!

HorseAngel · Aug 1, 2019 8:11 AM

Thanks! I thought so too! I use going for more Llp mares to use with your stallion! I got three now, so I am good! What names did you use for your champagnes? I have a mare and a stallion champagne and was thinking about breeding some foals, don't know many wine names!

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