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How many studs for each generation?
  • I have a serious 2nd generation colt hoarding problem that's getting out of hand. In the interest of keeping my lines even, I keep telling myself that I'll need a variety of colts for each line which inevitably leads to me keeping everything that passes quality checks. I just... love them all? =))

    My current count is

    33



    So, my question is: how many studs do you think its reasonable to keep for each generation? How do you cull those that are already superior and have the genes you like? There are some from lines I love, but I don't ever use them, should I just bite the bullet and geld them for show? @-)
    ID: 247225
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    Collector of tall, dark dappled riding horses in all shades.

  • I only keep 2 stallions per generation; or 1 stud per 50 mares. On this account I am breeding drafts that are black splash tobiano. For 2nd gen colts they have to paper B and test superior to sire, no C colts. They have to have a higher PT than both parents, and must have inherited either tobiano, splash, or both. Then I just comparison test all colts against each other. If I have more than 2 and all about as good as each other; I just pick the 2 I like best.
    Post edited by Wingedeagle88 at 2019-08-10 20:48:05
  • Back when I had this problem I used comparison testing to further cut down on the intacts. If I didn't have enough mares for that line I'd save up for a GMT and make them a mare. If they were of genetics that I didn't mind sharing with the public I'd put them up for public stud or the buddy chat for private. This helped me justify keeping the pretty ones intact and brought a small chunk of cash. As I became overburdened with colts I rotated them out every few seasons to see which showed the best potential/had exactly the genetics I wanted to prove true in that line and kept the best producing ones intact. So if Colt A and Colt B both tested as good as each other, superior to their sire, and had the right height/bone size/genes I wanted for later in the line but Colt B threw foals that had better quality/genetics more often than Colt A.. Colt A would get the snip and into the show barn he went. I once had three studs and my favourite kept throwing pony sizes so I snipped him. I try very hard to keep ponies out of my barn. Early generations I usually kept more intacts to give me a little variety but as the lines went on I got stricter. I also more commonly kept horses from outside lines intact as opposed to my own, again for variety.

    Another note: Many of the larger barns kept benchmark studs for each generation and each line so that any colt that didn't test superior or as good as would get the snip. If the colt tested superior, he became their new benchmark and so on. This helped them keep to a standard of quality which made it easier to get higher paperings early in their lines.

    In the end, it's up to you. There were some lines where I kept every offspring that passed quality checks intact just because they were so gosh darn pretty and they passed out of the game with little to no foals. But my showing bonus at the time was large enough that it made little difference, if it hadn't been then the choice would have been much easier. =))
    Post edited by Alianne at 2019-08-10 21:13:07
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  • I understand your problem! I've had to majorly cut back on lined studs. I usually keep at least 2 studs per generation per line.
    For example, once my 2G kitM studs age up I'll only keep two for that line
    Once I get some 3g studs I'll only keep two.
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  • I keep 9 to 12 stallions per generation. One stallion per sire line, and he has to have specific genes that are particular to that sire line.

    I use my stallions on a rotation schedule. 1 set of 3 horses per pasture. Next season, another set of 3 per pasture. Third season, 3rd set of 3 boys. Each boy has to be superior to his sire to begin with, and he must pass the AFPT mark I have set for each generation. If he doesn't pass the AFPT check, then it's snip snip and off to the show barns he goes.

    For half brothers, I compare test them. If they are AGA, then I geld the older one and send him to the show barns if he already has a sup to sire son in the next generation.

    I'm catching up on things now that I've found some extra time with little Sith starting school.
  • I keep the colts I wanna use. But rarely more than 1 colt from each stallion. More than that I only do if they have different special genes. When I am done breeding for the season, I open up each stallion I have used, and narrow all colts of all ages down to (preferably) one.

    Right now I have:
    - 14 foundations
    - 49 2Gs
    - 43 3Gs
    - 31 4Gs
    - 12 5Gs
    - 4 6Gs
    - 1 7G
    - 3 high PT bootstrap boys

    These are the ones that are of breeding age, across all my lines. It's very rare that I do not use them all, if I breed their generation that season.
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  • I cull them with much pain. :)) :((

    And ultimately I still have too many. Lol

    Culling my black Sabinos was pretty easy. They’re all basically the same so I called the doubles and triples. I culled most of the Ee ones, too.

    Culling my Pinto/DP line is a little harder. I love all my boys! But then I end up not using them all, either. So I culled based on use.

    I’ve started culling 2G appy colts as soon as I get them. I just have what I need. I bet I could cull what I have, but... *sniffle* I have one main 2G sire that I use for my non-snowflakes. He’s just so much better than the others.

    I’m only just starting with my 3Gs, but I’ve already had to start culling for space reasons. I narrowed down the sons of my best 2G sire by what they had to offer for colour. (They were all sup anyway)
  • I breed grullos so as long as they’re grullo and pass SBA and are consistent they stick around for a while.

    When I have time tho I go through and comp test everyone to their sire and geld any aga or worse. I used to comp brothers but since my laptop died it’s a pain in the butt to keep track of which have already been tested against which and I didn’t find that it weeded many out (a few but not many) when I’m done comp testing all of a sires colts I look at the search page of them and compare data. Higher papers automatically cut all lower papers. EE sons cull Ee and DD cull Dd. KP foals trump het kp.

    If the Sire is part of one of my special lines then the colts must inherit axiom, plaid, or nexus. Also homo gened colts get het gene colts snipped.

    I try to snip it down to 3 colts per stud. I will sometimes also just keep the top 3 PT. Then once I’m through all the sires foals I go through and look at each generation and trim down any Ee Dd colts and try to trim my axiom colts down to 3 per colour
    Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes
  • I've also started culling for size. It's really hard, but I'm trying to breed taller riding horses so pretty much anything shorter than 16h is getting snipped unless they have all their Sire's genes.
  • Thank you everyone for the awesome, in depth responses! Reading through everything has definitely given me some insight and ideas for culling.

    I may start aiming to have a benchmark for each line, and trim out those that are smaller than I prefer and or make them public. I managed to trim down around 11 colts from the original 33, so that's already progress :))
    ID: 247225
    she/her
    DP & Dapples
    Collector of tall, dark dappled riding horses in all shades.

  • Im having this issue as well. Theyre over populating my barn and i have no space for my foals from pasture. I have more stallions than mares. Im currently trying to come up with standards they have to pass so i can hopefully sort them out.
  • For me, they have to have LE genes if they are from LE lines, test sup to sire, and pass an AFPT mark that I set for each generation, be papered A at 3rd gen, be papered Star at 5th gen. All 2nd gen boys must be B/A. All 4th gen boys must be A/Star.
  • I have a colt hoarding problem also... I just went through a culled a bunch of mine.. I currently have 24 second gens.. I try to keep 3 colts from each project since I have found that even though they test superior to their sire and as good as each other, they don't all throw the same quality foal
  • I keep one from each sire line per generation to keep the numbers down

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