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Supirior offspring but lower pt score?
  • I am finally starting to become more strict with my herd and what i keep. I have came to a debate as to what horses would be better keeping in the long run. I have alot of colts that are either high pt and passed all testing but test as good as sire , and i have colts that have the same or lower pt compared to its parents but test supirior to sire. Out of them all what would you determine as being a better breeder in the future? My goal is to raise the pt over time along with better papers while trying to keep even lines and adding in color. Would love to hear what others do to determine this.
  • Common saying is that PT score has nothing to do with breeding ability. Pt score is used only for showing. While having a good score is nice, it does nothing for the quality of your foals, only the padding in your show bonus. :D
    Post edited by bluchrystals at 2019-09-11 06:32:00
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  • Been there. The weirdest one I got was a 12.6 gold filly from a 13.7 sire and a 13.4 dam. Yes she was superior and yes she was consistent =))
  • So in other words the lower pt with supirior to parent will throw better offspring in the long run compared to a higher pt but just as good as parent. Makes sense. Thank you.
  • I remember breeding a 2nd gen blue mare a long time ago. Her PT score was in the 8. something range, but she still papered blue, and her dam was red papered in the older days. So PT score doesn't necessarily mean that the mare is bad, as long as she's superior to her dam.
  • Each horse has a breeding ability score, which is a hidden number. This number is what papers and comparison testing are measuring. When a foal is bred, the breeding ability scores of both parents and not their PT scores go into the magical H&J numbers blender and out pops two numbers- the foal's breeding ability score and PT. The higher the breeding ability scores of the parents, the higher the range of possible breeding ability scores and PT scores for the foals. So a horse's PT score comes from their parent's breeding ability scores, but doesn't affect their own foals. Only the breeding ability does.
    So a horse with a super low PT but who papers higher or tests superior will produce higher PT foals on average, while a horse with a super high PT but who papers lower or tests worse than will produce lower PT foals on average. The first is a better breeding horse, while the second may be better suited as a spelded show horse.
    For a better/more in depth explanation, check out this thread: https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/37648/comparison-testing-questions#Item_11

    Huge shout out to @Stone Silo Farm, who explained all this to me, and whom I am paraphrasing here
    Post edited by Taliesin at 2019-09-12 05:05:42
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