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kgstable · Oct 11, 2019 10:16 AM

Added SplashM to this guy here:

MS1C Belgian Chocolate

(believe it or not it was actually an accident but I'm kind of in love) and was wondering if I added a boost to him if he'd paper up to B and work as a good foundation to the majority of my Red foundation mares. I'll of course use him either way but I have way more Red mares then Yellow mares

Maribo · Oct 11, 2019 10:33 AM

Yes. I think even a 1% boost gets him to B, but that would be a low B. To get him to the same level as an expro/experf he would need a 5% boost.

kgstable · Oct 11, 2019 10:38 AM

@Maribo thank you! So he wouldn't work well with Exceptional producers or exceptionally perfect mares even if he was boosted 1% (That's the only boost I could get right now)?

RutledgeRanch · Oct 11, 2019 11:06 AM

@KGStable you'd just have a higher chance of getting snipped foals. I do C/Red papered breedings a lot and although some do get snipped I do get quality foals

kgstable · Oct 11, 2019 11:59 AM

@RutledgeRanch Thanks so much! I might test with with a few red mares one season then and a few yellow mares another season and see what happens! What would you say your ration to snipped vs. unsnipped is with a red/C cross?
Sorry for so many questions but I've always bred Red/B, Yellow/C, Blue/A etc. etc.

Taliesin · Oct 11, 2019 12:06 PM

Also don't forget about pastures. You can boost up the foals a good bit that way, even from off-papered crosses

Taliesin · Oct 11, 2019 12:08 PM

And if I can add my own question, @Maribo am I understanding this right, that perfect foundations are at 100% and ExPros are 105%?

kgstable · Oct 11, 2019 12:12 PM

@Natalya1917 Very true! I always forget about pastures, right now I only have one that I use for my 2nd Gens but I may be switching my foundations over to get more (hopefully) Blue 2Gs next season, maybe I'll stick White Chocolate in there and see how he does
I think you're right about perfect foundations vs Expros, so Maribos comment earlier about him needing a 5% boost to be to par with my Red foundations makes sense. But pastures only increase the quality from the mare? Not the stud right?

RutledgeRanch · Oct 11, 2019 1:58 PM

@KGStable lemme see if I cant find the foals who I've used for a C/Red breeding

RutledgeRanch · Oct 11, 2019 2:10 PM

So I'm gonna use my Chinchilla guy as an example. Since I've had to pair him with mostly red mares. Out of 42 foals 27 got snipped and 15 were intact

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Taliesin · Oct 11, 2019 2:11 PM

Pastures increase the quality of the foal.
The way it was explained to me, each cross has a range of possible pt and breeding test scores that it can produce. Each day the mare is in the pasture, the odds of the foal getting a higher score in that range edges up a bit more. So no matter which way the range is skewed, pastures help balance it out.
I don't actually know this for certain, I'm still a newbie too, but that's what I was told

Bandit1119 · Oct 11, 2019 2:12 PM

Pastures don’t increase the quality of the mares it just raises the low end of the quality the mare can throw

kgstable · Oct 11, 2019 2:16 PM

Thanks guys! I think I'm going to boost him after next season! i appreciate all the help!

SherwoodStables · Oct 11, 2019 6:15 PM

It should work out fine. I used to only breed C to Yellow and B to Red, but my 2nd gens from C/Yel crosses could not seem to produce good enough 3rd gens.

The last two seasons I bred ExPro/ExPer mares mostly to my C stallions, and Yellow mares to ExPer stallions. The pasture bonus seriously helps -a lot-. Plus I'd rather have more fail breeding advice rather than more pass that and then fail other testing- BA is free!

OK I gathered my notes on 4 different stallions. All these were to mares with no pasture bonus at all, and the stallions are regular (non-perfect) "C" foundations.
101 foals with Yellow mares:
Showable Only/Failed: 20
Yellow/C: 59
B/Red: 22
Then 26 foals with ExPer/ExPro mares-
Yellow/C: 14
B/Red: 11
A/Blue: 1

Just from that you can tell that even though more foals did get snipped just from breeding advice, even those papered better.

Pagan · Oct 11, 2019 9:11 PM

He is only two, you could add further boosts when you have the extra funds.

kgstable · Oct 11, 2019 10:18 PM

@SherwoodStables Thank you! I put most of my foundations in the pasture to try for next season!

@Pagan Thats very true! What is the cut off age again for boosting? I never boost so I never remembered haha

SandyCreekAcres · Oct 12, 2019 6:07 AM

I believe the horse has to be no more than 4 and have no living foals.

kgstable · Oct 12, 2019 9:36 AM

@SandyCreekAcres thank you!

SharayahStables · Oct 12, 2019 1:53 PM

Yep, you have time! My Baroque girl will be 4 next season and so far she’s gotten 2 1% boosts. :)

kgstable · Oct 12, 2019 2:20 PM

@Sharayah Thank you! He's going to be 3 next season so I might boost him and keep his foals so I can sell them back if I decide to boost him again

Forestshadow · Oct 12, 2019 2:44 PM

I breed from mostly C/Yellow foundation stock and with those lines it is still entirely possible to get Star/Gold at 4th gen. Doesn't happen very often but it's not impossible. I expect Red/B at 2nd gen, Blue/A at 3rd gen.

kgstable · Oct 12, 2019 2:51 PM

@Forestshadow I think that's similar to how I'm going to start my breeding lines. I need another pasture lol #:-S

bluchrystals · Oct 12, 2019 3:11 PM

So...how many pastures do you have? Please, do count them. =))

kgstable · Oct 12, 2019 3:20 PM

@bluchrystals TWO! :x :x thank you so much!!

bluchrystals · Oct 12, 2019 3:21 PM

You're welcome!

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